From pale.aquamarine at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 14:01:44 2014 From: pale.aquamarine at gmail.com (Lisa Buchholz) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:01:44 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Message-ID: Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. Points to note: - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at least 4 metres wide. - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s green space. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manning.ian at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 10:08:54 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:08:54 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning process). I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been made without consultation. The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. Happy to answer any questions Ian On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: > Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting > Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton > Meadows. > > > Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you > can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline is > 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which are > now taking place. > > > Points to note: > > > - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the > document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need > to be at least 4 metres wide. > - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway > bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the > other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a > considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. > - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and > approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be > substantial. > - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new > station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. > > Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this > message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s > green space. > > > > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Wed Jul 16 12:27:33 2014 From: clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com (Clive Brown) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:27:33 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Dear Ian Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be considerable. While the new station may not have been the original driver for the bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if it was not for the station. Regards Clive Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. From: Ian Manning Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM To: Lisa Buchholz Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only list Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Dear All As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning process). I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been made without consultation. The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. Happy to answer any questions Ian On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. Points to note: a.. Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at least 4 metres wide. b.. Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. c.. The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. d.. The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed Jul 16 12:52:16 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:52:16 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: Dear Clive, thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. Regards, John At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: >Dear Ian > >Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. > >There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by >Skanska as a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there >which could be out in the public at this stage for a proper >assessment of the options. Publication of the paper on the County >website would be true transparency. > >The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed >bridge, whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever >option is chosen, the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and >Long Reach will be considerable. > >While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the >Skanska report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been >around for years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would >have legs at all if it was not for the station. > >Regards > >Clive > >Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. > >From: Ian Manning >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >To: Lisa Buchholz >Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only list >Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge > >Dear All > >As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to >this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to >the mail below. > >The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the >County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they >"have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, >e.g.as part of the planning process). > >I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the >project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been >worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been >developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and >decisions already having been made without consultation. > >The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is >part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in >1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some >of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. > >Happy to answer any questions > >Ian > > >On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz ><pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: > >Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. > > >Details can be found at: >www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, >where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this >proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also a list of >public exhibitions which are now taking place. > > >Points to note: > >Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it >would need to be at least 4 metres wide. >Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean >a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have >to be substantial. >The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in >Cambridge???s green space. > > > >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:02:38 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:02:38 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: John It was me that got the feasibility study from the County. It won't be published on the COunty site - as the County arent' consulting on the *document itself *put I'll put it online somewhere asap for those interested. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:52, John Lawton wrote: > Dear Clive, > > thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you > know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. > > Regards, > > John > > > At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> From: Ian Manning >> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> To: Lisa Buchholz >> Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only >> list >> >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of >> the planning process). >> >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz < >> pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www. >> cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving >> your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also >> a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. >> >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, >> indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at >> least 4 metres wide. >> Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: >> one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is >> 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable >> incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; >> given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. >> The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, >> although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message >> widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge???s green >> space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:26:10 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:26:10 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: As I suggested, the station is only a driver for the *timescale *of the bridge. Also related is that funding from North Area Corridor transport contributions (section 106 monies or 'developer contributions') is time limited. This goes back to 2012 and well before, well before the station project was certain: http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/CommitteeMinutes/Committees/agendaitem.aspx?agendaItemID=5126 http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Plans-for-cycling-superhighway-to-be-set-in-motion-28032012.htm i.e. we definitely would be, and were, talking about the trail regardless of the station. Whilst there will be some environmental impact, this does not need to be seen as a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible, as we are doing around the new station, to turn environmental concerns into funding for environmental improvements. This also needs to be balanced against the considerable environmental damage caused if all traffic from the 'newmarket road area' side of the river attempts to drive to the new station, rather than cycling or walking there. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:27, Clive Brown wrote: > Dear Ian > > Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. > > There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as a > result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in > the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. > Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. > > The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, > whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, > the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be > considerable. > > While the new station may not have been the original driver for the > bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska > report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for > years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if > it was not for the station. > > Regards > > Clive > > Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is > clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. > > *From:* Ian Manning > *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM > *To:* Lisa Buchholz > *Cc:* SOS Cambridge announcement only list > *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge > > Dear All > > As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this > stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. > > The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County > Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie > that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning > process). > > I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. > Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the > alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then > leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been > made without consultation. > > The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part > of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station > is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the > bridge in place before the new station opens. > > Happy to answer any questions > > Ian > > > On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: > >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you >> can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline >> is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which >> are now taking place. >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> >> - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >> document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need >> to be at least 4 metres wide. >> - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >> bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >> other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a >> considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >> approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be >> substantial. >> - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >> station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >> message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s >> green space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From pale.aquamarine at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:37:32 2014 From: pale.aquamarine at gmail.com (Lisa Buchholz) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: Personally, I'm not sure any environmental improvements can offset the disfigurement of this iconic green space and view. The beauty and value of it is in the peaceful aspect it provides to the weary urban eye. Building large iron/concrete structures on it takes that away. Also, why would people on Newmarket side go to Chesterton/Science Park rail station - wouldn't they go to main station? I suggest we spend the ?? on other proposals for cycle improvements that the Cambridge Cycling Campaign has made, proposals that rehabilitate existing sad spaces, rather than blight unspoiled ones. Lisa Buchholz On 16 July 2014 13:26, Ian Manning wrote: > As I suggested, the station is only a driver for the *timescale *of the > bridge. Also related is that funding from North Area Corridor transport > contributions (section 106 monies or 'developer contributions') is time > limited. > > This goes back to 2012 and well before, well before the station project > was certain: > > > http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/CommitteeMinutes/Committees/agendaitem.aspx?agendaItemID=5126 > > > http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Plans-for-cycling-superhighway-to-be-set-in-motion-28032012.htm > > i.e. we definitely would be, and were, talking about the trail regardless > of the station. > > Whilst there will be some environmental impact, this does not need to be > seen as a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible, as we are doing around > the new station, to turn environmental concerns into funding for > environmental improvements. > > This also needs to be balanced against the considerable environmental > damage caused if all traffic from the 'newmarket road area' side of the > river attempts to drive to the new station, rather than cycling or walking > there. > > Ian > > > On 16 July 2014 12:27, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> *From:* Ian Manning >> *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> *To:* Lisa Buchholz >> *Cc:* SOS Cambridge announcement only list >> *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning >> process). >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: >> >>> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >>> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >>> Meadows. >>> >>> >>> Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you >>> can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline >>> is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which >>> are now taking place. >>> >>> >>> Points to note: >>> >>> >>> - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >>> document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need >>> to be at least 4 metres wide. >>> - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >>> bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >>> other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a >>> considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >>> - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >>> approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be >>> substantial. >>> - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >>> station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >>> >>> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >>> message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s >>> green space. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> announce mailing list >>> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >>> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> > > > -- > Cllr Ian Manning > Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton > Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources > http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk > Tel: 07931958169 > Twitter: @IanGManning > > Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I > Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's > Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. > From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 17:03:52 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:03:52 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've put the document and its appendices online here: http://bit.ly/bridgestudy I'll stress again - the consultation is about what the County Council intend to do with the project, which is informed by both the technical study and other considerations such as deliverability, context (the wider Trail). However, I put in online in the interests of transparency. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:52, John Lawton wrote: > Dear Clive, > > thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you > know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. > > Regards, > > John > > > At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> From: Ian Manning >> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> To: Lisa Buchholz >> Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only >> list >> >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of >> the planning process). >> >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz < >> pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www. >> cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving >> your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also >> a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. >> >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, >> indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at >> least 4 metres wide. >> Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: >> one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is >> 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable >> incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; >> given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. >> The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, >> although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message >> widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge???s green >> space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed Jul 16 17:13:56 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:13:56 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Message-ID: This topic has been moved to the Discussion list as this moderated Announce list does not suit discussions. If you are not a member of the Discuss list, or are not sure, please email me and I'll add you to the list. Regards, John Lawton SOS Chair ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Mon Jul 28 12:51:57 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:51:57 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposed cycle/footbridge bridge over Ditton Meadows Message-ID: <20140728115205.9DD5D4C1F0@mx4.email-cluster.com> This is the last day to respond to the online survey. The link is on this page: http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge Regards, John Lawton SOS Chair ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From pale.aquamarine at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 14:01:44 2014 From: pale.aquamarine at gmail.com (Lisa Buchholz) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:01:44 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Message-ID: Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. Points to note: - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at least 4 metres wide. - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s green space. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manning.ian at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 10:08:54 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:08:54 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning process). I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been made without consultation. The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. Happy to answer any questions Ian On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: > Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting > Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton > Meadows. > > > Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you > can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline is > 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which are > now taking place. > > > Points to note: > > > - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the > document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need > to be at least 4 metres wide. > - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway > bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the > other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a > considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. > - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and > approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be > substantial. > - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new > station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. > > Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this > message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s > green space. > > > > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Wed Jul 16 12:27:33 2014 From: clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com (Clive Brown) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:27:33 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Dear Ian Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be considerable. While the new station may not have been the original driver for the bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if it was not for the station. Regards Clive Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. From: Ian Manning Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM To: Lisa Buchholz Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only list Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Dear All As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning process). I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been made without consultation. The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. Happy to answer any questions Ian On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. Points to note: a.. Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at least 4 metres wide. b.. Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. c.. The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. d.. The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed Jul 16 12:52:16 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:52:16 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: Dear Clive, thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. Regards, John At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: >Dear Ian > >Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. > >There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by >Skanska as a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there >which could be out in the public at this stage for a proper >assessment of the options. Publication of the paper on the County >website would be true transparency. > >The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed >bridge, whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever >option is chosen, the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and >Long Reach will be considerable. > >While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the >Skanska report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been >around for years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would >have legs at all if it was not for the station. > >Regards > >Clive > >Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. > >From: Ian Manning >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >To: Lisa Buchholz >Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only list >Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge > >Dear All > >As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to >this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to >the mail below. > >The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the >County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they >"have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, >e.g.as part of the planning process). > >I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the >project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been >worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been >developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and >decisions already having been made without consultation. > >The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is >part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in >1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some >of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. > >Happy to answer any questions > >Ian > > >On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz ><pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: > >Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. > > >Details can be found at: >www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, >where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this >proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also a list of >public exhibitions which are now taking place. > > >Points to note: > >Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it >would need to be at least 4 metres wide. >Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean >a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have >to be substantial. >The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in >Cambridge???s green space. > > > >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:02:38 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:02:38 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: John It was me that got the feasibility study from the County. It won't be published on the COunty site - as the County arent' consulting on the *document itself *put I'll put it online somewhere asap for those interested. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:52, John Lawton wrote: > Dear Clive, > > thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you > know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. > > Regards, > > John > > > At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> From: Ian Manning >> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> To: Lisa Buchholz >> Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only >> list >> >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of >> the planning process). >> >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz < >> pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www. >> cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving >> your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also >> a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. >> >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, >> indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at >> least 4 metres wide. >> Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: >> one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is >> 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable >> incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; >> given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. >> The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, >> although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message >> widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge???s green >> space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:26:10 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:26:10 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: As I suggested, the station is only a driver for the *timescale *of the bridge. Also related is that funding from North Area Corridor transport contributions (section 106 monies or 'developer contributions') is time limited. This goes back to 2012 and well before, well before the station project was certain: http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/CommitteeMinutes/Committees/agendaitem.aspx?agendaItemID=5126 http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Plans-for-cycling-superhighway-to-be-set-in-motion-28032012.htm i.e. we definitely would be, and were, talking about the trail regardless of the station. Whilst there will be some environmental impact, this does not need to be seen as a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible, as we are doing around the new station, to turn environmental concerns into funding for environmental improvements. This also needs to be balanced against the considerable environmental damage caused if all traffic from the 'newmarket road area' side of the river attempts to drive to the new station, rather than cycling or walking there. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:27, Clive Brown wrote: > Dear Ian > > Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. > > There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as a > result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in > the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. > Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. > > The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, > whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, > the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be > considerable. > > While the new station may not have been the original driver for the > bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska > report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for > years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if > it was not for the station. > > Regards > > Clive > > Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is > clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. > > *From:* Ian Manning > *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM > *To:* Lisa Buchholz > *Cc:* SOS Cambridge announcement only list > *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge > > Dear All > > As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this > stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. > > The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County > Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie > that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning > process). > > I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. > Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the > alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then > leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been > made without consultation. > > The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part > of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station > is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the > bridge in place before the new station opens. > > Happy to answer any questions > > Ian > > > On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: > >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you >> can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline >> is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which >> are now taking place. >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> >> - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >> document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need >> to be at least 4 metres wide. >> - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >> bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >> other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a >> considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >> approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be >> substantial. >> - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >> station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >> message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s >> green space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From pale.aquamarine at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:37:32 2014 From: pale.aquamarine at gmail.com (Lisa Buchholz) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: Personally, I'm not sure any environmental improvements can offset the disfigurement of this iconic green space and view. The beauty and value of it is in the peaceful aspect it provides to the weary urban eye. Building large iron/concrete structures on it takes that away. Also, why would people on Newmarket side go to Chesterton/Science Park rail station - wouldn't they go to main station? I suggest we spend the ?? on other proposals for cycle improvements that the Cambridge Cycling Campaign has made, proposals that rehabilitate existing sad spaces, rather than blight unspoiled ones. Lisa Buchholz On 16 July 2014 13:26, Ian Manning wrote: > As I suggested, the station is only a driver for the *timescale *of the > bridge. Also related is that funding from North Area Corridor transport > contributions (section 106 monies or 'developer contributions') is time > limited. > > This goes back to 2012 and well before, well before the station project > was certain: > > > http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/CommitteeMinutes/Committees/agendaitem.aspx?agendaItemID=5126 > > > http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Plans-for-cycling-superhighway-to-be-set-in-motion-28032012.htm > > i.e. we definitely would be, and were, talking about the trail regardless > of the station. > > Whilst there will be some environmental impact, this does not need to be > seen as a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible, as we are doing around > the new station, to turn environmental concerns into funding for > environmental improvements. > > This also needs to be balanced against the considerable environmental > damage caused if all traffic from the 'newmarket road area' side of the > river attempts to drive to the new station, rather than cycling or walking > there. > > Ian > > > On 16 July 2014 12:27, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> *From:* Ian Manning >> *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> *To:* Lisa Buchholz >> *Cc:* SOS Cambridge announcement only list >> *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning >> process). >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: >> >>> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >>> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >>> Meadows. >>> >>> >>> Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you >>> can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline >>> is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which >>> are now taking place. >>> >>> >>> Points to note: >>> >>> >>> - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >>> document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need >>> to be at least 4 metres wide. >>> - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >>> bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >>> other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a >>> considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >>> - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >>> approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be >>> substantial. >>> - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >>> station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >>> >>> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >>> message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s >>> green space. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> announce mailing list >>> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >>> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> > > > -- > Cllr Ian Manning > Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton > Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources > http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk > Tel: 07931958169 > Twitter: @IanGManning > > Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I > Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's > Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. > From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 17:03:52 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:03:52 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've put the document and its appendices online here: http://bit.ly/bridgestudy I'll stress again - the consultation is about what the County Council intend to do with the project, which is informed by both the technical study and other considerations such as deliverability, context (the wider Trail). However, I put in online in the interests of transparency. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:52, John Lawton wrote: > Dear Clive, > > thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you > know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. > > Regards, > > John > > > At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> From: Ian Manning >> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> To: Lisa Buchholz >> Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only >> list >> >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of >> the planning process). >> >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz < >> pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www. >> cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving >> your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also >> a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. >> >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, >> indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at >> least 4 metres wide. >> Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: >> one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is >> 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable >> incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; >> given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. >> The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, >> although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message >> widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge???s green >> space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed Jul 16 17:13:56 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:13:56 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Message-ID: This topic has been moved to the Discussion list as this moderated Announce list does not suit discussions. If you are not a member of the Discuss list, or are not sure, please email me and I'll add you to the list. Regards, John Lawton SOS Chair ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Mon Jul 28 12:51:57 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:51:57 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposed cycle/footbridge bridge over Ditton Meadows Message-ID: <20140728115205.9DD5D4C1F0@mx4.email-cluster.com> This is the last day to respond to the online survey. The link is on this page: http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge Regards, John Lawton SOS Chair ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From pale.aquamarine at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 14:01:44 2014 From: pale.aquamarine at gmail.com (Lisa Buchholz) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:01:44 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Message-ID: Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. Points to note: - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at least 4 metres wide. - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s green space. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manning.ian at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 10:08:54 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:08:54 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning process). I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been made without consultation. The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. Happy to answer any questions Ian On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: > Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting > Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton > Meadows. > > > Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you > can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline is > 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which are > now taking place. > > > Points to note: > > > - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the > document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need > to be at least 4 metres wide. > - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway > bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the > other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a > considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. > - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and > approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be > substantial. > - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new > station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. > > Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this > message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s > green space. > > > > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Wed Jul 16 12:27:33 2014 From: clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com (Clive Brown) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:27:33 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Dear Ian Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be considerable. While the new station may not have been the original driver for the bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if it was not for the station. Regards Clive Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. From: Ian Manning Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM To: Lisa Buchholz Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only list Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Dear All As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning process). I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been made without consultation. The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. Happy to answer any questions Ian On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. Points to note: a.. Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at least 4 metres wide. b.. Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. c.. The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. d.. The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed Jul 16 12:52:16 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:52:16 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: Dear Clive, thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. Regards, John At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: >Dear Ian > >Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. > >There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by >Skanska as a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there >which could be out in the public at this stage for a proper >assessment of the options. Publication of the paper on the County >website would be true transparency. > >The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed >bridge, whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever >option is chosen, the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and >Long Reach will be considerable. > >While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the >Skanska report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been >around for years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would >have legs at all if it was not for the station. > >Regards > >Clive > >Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. > >From: Ian Manning >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >To: Lisa Buchholz >Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only list >Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge > >Dear All > >As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to >this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to >the mail below. > >The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the >County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they >"have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, >e.g.as part of the planning process). > >I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the >project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been >worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been >developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and >decisions already having been made without consultation. > >The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is >part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in >1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some >of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. > >Happy to answer any questions > >Ian > > >On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz ><pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: > >Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. > > >Details can be found at: >www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, >where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this >proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also a list of >public exhibitions which are now taking place. > > >Points to note: > >Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it >would need to be at least 4 metres wide. >Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean >a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have >to be substantial. >The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in >Cambridge???s green space. > > > >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:02:38 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:02:38 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: John It was me that got the feasibility study from the County. It won't be published on the COunty site - as the County arent' consulting on the *document itself *put I'll put it online somewhere asap for those interested. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:52, John Lawton wrote: > Dear Clive, > > thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you > know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. > > Regards, > > John > > > At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> From: Ian Manning >> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> To: Lisa Buchholz >> Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only >> list >> >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of >> the planning process). >> >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz < >> pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www. >> cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving >> your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also >> a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. >> >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, >> indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at >> least 4 metres wide. >> Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: >> one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is >> 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable >> incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; >> given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. >> The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, >> although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message >> widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge???s green >> space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:26:10 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:26:10 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: As I suggested, the station is only a driver for the *timescale *of the bridge. Also related is that funding from North Area Corridor transport contributions (section 106 monies or 'developer contributions') is time limited. This goes back to 2012 and well before, well before the station project was certain: http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/CommitteeMinutes/Committees/agendaitem.aspx?agendaItemID=5126 http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Plans-for-cycling-superhighway-to-be-set-in-motion-28032012.htm i.e. we definitely would be, and were, talking about the trail regardless of the station. Whilst there will be some environmental impact, this does not need to be seen as a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible, as we are doing around the new station, to turn environmental concerns into funding for environmental improvements. This also needs to be balanced against the considerable environmental damage caused if all traffic from the 'newmarket road area' side of the river attempts to drive to the new station, rather than cycling or walking there. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:27, Clive Brown wrote: > Dear Ian > > Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. > > There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as a > result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in > the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. > Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. > > The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, > whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, > the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be > considerable. > > While the new station may not have been the original driver for the > bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska > report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for > years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if > it was not for the station. > > Regards > > Clive > > Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is > clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. > > *From:* Ian Manning > *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM > *To:* Lisa Buchholz > *Cc:* SOS Cambridge announcement only list > *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge > > Dear All > > As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this > stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. > > The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County > Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie > that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning > process). > > I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. > Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the > alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then > leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been > made without consultation. > > The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part > of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station > is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the > bridge in place before the new station opens. > > Happy to answer any questions > > Ian > > > On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: > >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you >> can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline >> is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which >> are now taking place. >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> >> - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >> document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need >> to be at least 4 metres wide. >> - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >> bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >> other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a >> considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >> approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be >> substantial. >> - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >> station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >> message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s >> green space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From pale.aquamarine at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:37:32 2014 From: pale.aquamarine at gmail.com (Lisa Buchholz) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: Personally, I'm not sure any environmental improvements can offset the disfigurement of this iconic green space and view. The beauty and value of it is in the peaceful aspect it provides to the weary urban eye. Building large iron/concrete structures on it takes that away. Also, why would people on Newmarket side go to Chesterton/Science Park rail station - wouldn't they go to main station? I suggest we spend the ?? on other proposals for cycle improvements that the Cambridge Cycling Campaign has made, proposals that rehabilitate existing sad spaces, rather than blight unspoiled ones. Lisa Buchholz On 16 July 2014 13:26, Ian Manning wrote: > As I suggested, the station is only a driver for the *timescale *of the > bridge. Also related is that funding from North Area Corridor transport > contributions (section 106 monies or 'developer contributions') is time > limited. > > This goes back to 2012 and well before, well before the station project > was certain: > > > http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/CommitteeMinutes/Committees/agendaitem.aspx?agendaItemID=5126 > > > http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Plans-for-cycling-superhighway-to-be-set-in-motion-28032012.htm > > i.e. we definitely would be, and were, talking about the trail regardless > of the station. > > Whilst there will be some environmental impact, this does not need to be > seen as a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible, as we are doing around > the new station, to turn environmental concerns into funding for > environmental improvements. > > This also needs to be balanced against the considerable environmental > damage caused if all traffic from the 'newmarket road area' side of the > river attempts to drive to the new station, rather than cycling or walking > there. > > Ian > > > On 16 July 2014 12:27, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> *From:* Ian Manning >> *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> *To:* Lisa Buchholz >> *Cc:* SOS Cambridge announcement only list >> *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning >> process). >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: >> >>> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >>> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >>> Meadows. >>> >>> >>> Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you >>> can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline >>> is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which >>> are now taking place. >>> >>> >>> Points to note: >>> >>> >>> - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >>> document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need >>> to be at least 4 metres wide. >>> - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >>> bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >>> other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a >>> considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >>> - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >>> approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be >>> substantial. >>> - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >>> station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >>> >>> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >>> message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s >>> green space. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> announce mailing list >>> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >>> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> > > > -- > Cllr Ian Manning > Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton > Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources > http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk > Tel: 07931958169 > Twitter: @IanGManning > > Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I > Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's > Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. > From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 17:03:52 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:03:52 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've put the document and its appendices online here: http://bit.ly/bridgestudy I'll stress again - the consultation is about what the County Council intend to do with the project, which is informed by both the technical study and other considerations such as deliverability, context (the wider Trail). However, I put in online in the interests of transparency. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:52, John Lawton wrote: > Dear Clive, > > thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you > know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. > > Regards, > > John > > > At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> From: Ian Manning >> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> To: Lisa Buchholz >> Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only >> list >> >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of >> the planning process). >> >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz < >> pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www. >> cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving >> your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also >> a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. >> >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, >> indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at >> least 4 metres wide. >> Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: >> one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is >> 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable >> incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; >> given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. >> The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, >> although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message >> widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge???s green >> space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed Jul 16 17:13:56 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:13:56 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Message-ID: This topic has been moved to the Discussion list as this moderated Announce list does not suit discussions. If you are not a member of the Discuss list, or are not sure, please email me and I'll add you to the list. Regards, John Lawton SOS Chair ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Mon Jul 28 12:51:57 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:51:57 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposed cycle/footbridge bridge over Ditton Meadows Message-ID: <20140728115205.9DD5D4C1F0@mx4.email-cluster.com> This is the last day to respond to the online survey. The link is on this page: http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge Regards, John Lawton SOS Chair ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From pale.aquamarine at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 14:01:44 2014 From: pale.aquamarine at gmail.com (Lisa Buchholz) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:01:44 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Message-ID: Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. Points to note: - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at least 4 metres wide. - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s green space. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. Happy to answer any questions Ian On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: > Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting > Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton > Meadows. > > > Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you > can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline is > 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which are > now taking place. > > > Points to note: > > > - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the > document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need > to be at least 4 metres wide. > - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway > bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the > other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a > considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. > - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and > approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be > substantial. > - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new > station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. > > Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this > message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s > green space. > > > > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Wed Jul 16 12:27:33 2014 From: clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com (Clive Brown) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:27:33 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Dear Ian Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be considerable. While the new station may not have been the original driver for the bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if it was not for the station. Regards Clive Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. From: Ian Manning Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM To: Lisa Buchholz Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only list Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Dear All As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning process). I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been made without consultation. The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. Happy to answer any questions Ian On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. Points to note: a.. Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at least 4 metres wide. b.. Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. c.. The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. d.. The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed Jul 16 12:52:16 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:52:16 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: Dear Clive, thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. Regards, John At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: >Dear Ian > >Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. > >There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by >Skanska as a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there >which could be out in the public at this stage for a proper >assessment of the options. Publication of the paper on the County >website would be true transparency. > >The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed >bridge, whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever >option is chosen, the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and >Long Reach will be considerable. > >While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the >Skanska report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been >around for years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would >have legs at all if it was not for the station. > >Regards > >Clive > >Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. > >From: Ian Manning >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >To: Lisa Buchholz >Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only list >Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge > >Dear All > >As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to >this stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to >the mail below. > >The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the >County Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they >"have" to ( ie that they are required to do by statue, >e.g.as part of the planning process). > >I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the >project. Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been >worked out; the alternative is to consult when more detail has been >developed, which then leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and >decisions already having been made without consultation. > >The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is >part of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in >1998. The station is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some >of us have) of getting the bridge in place before the new station opens. > >Happy to answer any questions > >Ian > > >On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz ><pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: > >Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton Meadows. > > >Details can be found at: >www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, >where you can complete a survey giving your opinions on this >proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also a list of >public exhibitions which are now taking place. > > >Points to note: > >Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it >would need to be at least 4 metres wide. >Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean >a considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have >to be substantial. >The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in >Cambridge???s green space. > > > >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >_______________________________________________ >announce mailing list >announce at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:02:38 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:02:38 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: John It was me that got the feasibility study from the County. It won't be published on the COunty site - as the County arent' consulting on the *document itself *put I'll put it online somewhere asap for those interested. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:52, John Lawton wrote: > Dear Clive, > > thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you > know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. > > Regards, > > John > > > At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> From: Ian Manning >> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> To: Lisa Buchholz >> Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only >> list >> >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of >> the planning process). >> >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz < >> pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www. >> cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving >> your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also >> a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. >> >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, >> indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at >> least 4 metres wide. >> Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: >> one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is >> 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable >> incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; >> given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. >> The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, >> although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message >> widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge???s green >> space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:26:10 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:26:10 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: As I suggested, the station is only a driver for the *timescale *of the bridge. Also related is that funding from North Area Corridor transport contributions (section 106 monies or 'developer contributions') is time limited. This goes back to 2012 and well before, well before the station project was certain: http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/CommitteeMinutes/Committees/agendaitem.aspx?agendaItemID=5126 http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Plans-for-cycling-superhighway-to-be-set-in-motion-28032012.htm i.e. we definitely would be, and were, talking about the trail regardless of the station. Whilst there will be some environmental impact, this does not need to be seen as a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible, as we are doing around the new station, to turn environmental concerns into funding for environmental improvements. This also needs to be balanced against the considerable environmental damage caused if all traffic from the 'newmarket road area' side of the river attempts to drive to the new station, rather than cycling or walking there. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:27, Clive Brown wrote: > Dear Ian > > Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. > > There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as a > result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in > the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. > Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. > > The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, > whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, > the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be > considerable. > > While the new station may not have been the original driver for the > bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska > report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for > years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if > it was not for the station. > > Regards > > Clive > > Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is > clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. > > *From:* Ian Manning > *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM > *To:* Lisa Buchholz > *Cc:* SOS Cambridge announcement only list > *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge > > Dear All > > As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this > stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. > > The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County > Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie > that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning > process). > > I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. > Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the > alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then > leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been > made without consultation. > > The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part > of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station > is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the > bridge in place before the new station opens. > > Happy to answer any questions > > Ian > > > On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: > >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you >> can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline >> is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which >> are now taking place. >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> >> - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >> document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need >> to be at least 4 metres wide. >> - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >> bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >> other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a >> considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >> approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be >> substantial. >> - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >> station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >> message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s >> green space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From pale.aquamarine at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:37:32 2014 From: pale.aquamarine at gmail.com (Lisa Buchholz) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> Message-ID: Personally, I'm not sure any environmental improvements can offset the disfigurement of this iconic green space and view. The beauty and value of it is in the peaceful aspect it provides to the weary urban eye. Building large iron/concrete structures on it takes that away. Also, why would people on Newmarket side go to Chesterton/Science Park rail station - wouldn't they go to main station? I suggest we spend the ?? on other proposals for cycle improvements that the Cambridge Cycling Campaign has made, proposals that rehabilitate existing sad spaces, rather than blight unspoiled ones. Lisa Buchholz On 16 July 2014 13:26, Ian Manning wrote: > As I suggested, the station is only a driver for the *timescale *of the > bridge. Also related is that funding from North Area Corridor transport > contributions (section 106 monies or 'developer contributions') is time > limited. > > This goes back to 2012 and well before, well before the station project > was certain: > > > http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/CommitteeMinutes/Committees/agendaitem.aspx?agendaItemID=5126 > > > http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Plans-for-cycling-superhighway-to-be-set-in-motion-28032012.htm > > i.e. we definitely would be, and were, talking about the trail regardless > of the station. > > Whilst there will be some environmental impact, this does not need to be > seen as a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible, as we are doing around > the new station, to turn environmental concerns into funding for > environmental improvements. > > This also needs to be balanced against the considerable environmental > damage caused if all traffic from the 'newmarket road area' side of the > river attempts to drive to the new station, rather than cycling or walking > there. > > Ian > > > On 16 July 2014 12:27, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> *From:* Ian Manning >> *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> *To:* Lisa Buchholz >> *Cc:* SOS Cambridge announcement only list >> *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of the planning >> process). >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz wrote: >> >>> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >>> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >>> Meadows. >>> >>> >>> Details can be found at: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you >>> can complete a survey giving your opinions on this proposal: *deadline >>> is 28th July 2014. *There is also a list of public exhibitions which >>> are now taking place. >>> >>> >>> Points to note: >>> >>> >>> - Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the >>> document, indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need >>> to be at least 4 metres wide. >>> - Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway >>> bridge: one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the >>> other is 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a >>> considerable incursion into Ditton Meadows. >>> - The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and >>> approaches; given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be >>> substantial. >>> - The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new >>> station, although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >>> >>> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this >>> message widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge?s >>> green space. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> announce mailing list >>> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >>> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> > > > -- > Cllr Ian Manning > Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton > Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources > http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk > Tel: 07931958169 > Twitter: @IanGManning > > Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I > Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's > Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. > From manning.ian at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 17:03:52 2014 From: manning.ian at gmail.com (Ian Manning) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:03:52 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge In-Reply-To: <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <33F7B726C30741AB8E0386E2FDFAEFA3@ClivePC> <53c6678f.c7f2c20a.0dfe.ffffff7bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've put the document and its appendices online here: http://bit.ly/bridgestudy I'll stress again - the consultation is about what the County Council intend to do with the project, which is informed by both the technical study and other considerations such as deliverability, context (the wider Trail). However, I put in online in the interests of transparency. Ian On 16 July 2014 12:52, John Lawton wrote: > Dear Clive, > > thank you for the info on the Skanska document. Can it be published do you > know? We would be happy to put it on our website if it is available. > > Regards, > > John > > > At 12:27 16/07/2014, Clive Brown wrote: > >> Dear Ian >> >> Sorry, but I do not think that will wash. >> >> There is considerable detail in the options paper prepared by Skanska as >> a result of the feasibility study and a lot in there which could be out in >> the public at this stage for a proper assessment of the options. >> Publication of the paper on the County website would be true transparency. >> >> The consultation document gives a benign view of the proposed bridge, >> whereas it is clear from the Skanska paper that whatever option is chosen, >> the environmental impact on Ditton Meadows and Long Reach will be >> considerable. >> >> While the new station may not have been the original driver for the >> bridge, it is clearly a major element now (as appears from the Skanska >> report). As you say, the so-called Chisholm Trail has been around for >> years, and it is doubtful if the bridge proposal would have legs at all if >> it was not for the station. >> >> Regards >> >> Clive >> >> Please change your address book to my new e mail address which is >> clivebrown21 at virginmedia.com Thank you. >> >> From: Ian Manning >> >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:08 AM >> To: Lisa Buchholz >> Cc: SOS Cambridge announcement only >> list >> >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge >> >> Dear All >> >> As one of the Councillors responsible for steering the proposals to this >> stage, I feel I need to add a few points of clarification to the mail below. >> >> The reason some details aren't clear is because we have got the County >> Council to consult MUCH earlier in the process than they "have" to ( ie >> that they are required to do by statue, e.g.as part of >> the planning process). >> >> >> I pushed for this so there was more transparency throughout the project. >> Clearly the earlier you consult, the less detail has been worked out; the >> alternative is to consult when more detail has been developed, which then >> leads to accusations of a fait accomplit and decisions already having been >> made without consultation. >> >> The main driver for the bridge isn't the new station: the bridge is part >> of the Chisholm trail - a proposal first put in place in 1998. The station >> is only relevant to the time scale and aim (some of us have) of getting the >> bridge in place before the new station opens. >> >> Happy to answer any questions >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 13 July 2014 14:01, Lisa Buchholz < >> pale.aquamarine at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Proposals have been released for a new cycle/footbridge connecting >> Chesterton to Abbey that will affect the iconic views over Fen Ditton >> Meadows. >> >> >> Details can be found at: www. >> cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge, where you can complete a survey giving >> your opinions on this proposal: deadline is 28th July 2014. There is also >> a list of public exhibitions which are now taking place. >> >> >> >> Points to note: >> >> Whilst the width of the proposed bridge is not specified in the document, >> indications at early stakeholder meetings are that it would need to be at >> least 4 metres wide. >> Both proposed sites are on the Ditton Meadows side of the railway bridge: >> one site is about 30-60 metres from the railway bridge; the other is >> 60-135 metres away from the railway bridge; both would mean a considerable >> incursion into Ditton Meadows. >> The plan is also not clear on the size/scale of the ramps and approaches; >> given the required height of the bridge, they will have to be substantial. >> The plan is unclear on how the bridge will connect to the new station, >> although this has always been the main driver for the bridge. >> Please review and comment on the plans, and please circulate this message >> widely to networks and anyone who is interested in Cambridge???s green >> space. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> announce mailing list >> announce at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > announce mailing list > announce at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- Cllr Ian Manning Cambridgeshire County Councillor for East Chesterton Lib Dem Spokesperson, Corporate Resources http://eastchestertonfocus.org.uk Tel: 07931958169 Twitter: @IanGManning Published (hosted) by Google. Promoted by I Manning on behalf of I Manning and Cambridge Liberal Democrats, all at 16 Signet Court, Swann's Road, Cambridge CB5 8LA. From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed Jul 16 17:13:56 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:13:56 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposals for new cycle/footbridge Message-ID: This topic has been moved to the Discussion list as this moderated Announce list does not suit discussions. If you are not a member of the Discuss list, or are not sure, please email me and I'll add you to the list. Regards, John Lawton SOS Chair ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------ From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Mon Jul 28 12:51:57 2014 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:51:57 +0100 Subject: [Announce] Proposed cycle/footbridge bridge over Ditton Meadows Message-ID: <20140728115205.9DD5D4C1F0@mx4.email-cluster.com> This is the last day to respond to the online survey. The link is on this page: http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/newbridge Regards, John Lawton SOS Chair ------------------------------------------------------ Save Our green Spaces: http://www.soscambridge.org.uk Twitter: @SOS_Cambridge ------------------------------------------------------