[Discuss] Greens in central Cambridge Litter and Barbecues

Tue Apr 20 10:00:58 BST 2010

Dear Alan

I agree in America and Australia there are designated barbeque areas and
very nice they are. But they are dealing with far far greater spaces.

The problem with allowing barbeques AT ALL is damage to turf, and more
litter and we are in danger of destroying the very facility people go to
find when they don¹t have private gardens.

We do of course need more Open Spaces  - but surely preserving the ones we
have is all important.

Loads of users of the Greens gather for sports, picnics and the like without
fires, the trick with our Greens is surely that they LOOk like the
countryside but aren¹t really. I don¹t think it¹s at all fair that people
with fires should be allowed to dominate with smoke pollution, cooking
smells and all associated paraphanalia , democracy of use argues for a ban.
Which is in fact a bye law.

Best wishes

Anne Garvey 

On 19/4/10 13:36, "Allan Brigham" <townnotgown at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Dear John
>  
> Does SOS have a policy on barbeques ? Are the objections to barbeques
> objections to burnt turf, or also to large gatherings, especially at night in
> summer ? 
>  
> In America many open spaces come with barbeque provision. Do we need the same
> here ? 
>  
> Maybe we need to think about parks differently as more and more people are
> encouraged to live in high density developments with little private open
> space, so no room for barbeques at home. If the numbers  using parks increase
> then noise at all times of day from parks becomes a bigger issue, so maybe
> existing parks need redesigning to keep crowds away from houses ?  Maybe we
> need more open spaces ?
>  
> allan
>  
> 
> From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of Anne Garvey
> Sent: 19 April 2010 13:26
> To: SOS Cambridge discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Discuss] Greens in central Cambridge Litter and Barbecues
>  
> Dear John,
> 
> We should surely have a proper policy. Do we allow fires of any type - or not.
> The byelaw says NO but liberal demmery seems to deliver ' well if they're not
> doing any harm" , well they are doing harm and you can't tell until they've
> gone how much burning has happened.
> 
> Trouble with Wait and See is that the notices can arrive all mealy mouthed and
> well intentioned but people given a loophole will go right ahead and light
> fires. Can we not influence the wording BEFORE they're printed?
> 
> For heaven's sake can we not just enforce the bye law like the rest of the
> world. I'd like to see you in the Royal Parks with your barbeque, no way
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 19/4/10 13:10, "John Lawton" <chair at soscambridge.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> > Hi Anne,
>> > 
>> > We'll see shortly what the council have planned regarding the
>> > notices. I agree that they should be clear and forthright.
>> > 
>> > For others reading this, Jesus Green and Midsummer Common frequently
>> > suffer bonfires and barbeques.  Do other green spaces have problems?
>> > 
>> > John
>> > 
>> > At 13:02 19/04/2010, you wrote:
>>> >> What do the notices say? It should be a BAN on fires full stop. All
>>> >> these qualfications , are you damaging the grass, is it a fire or a
>>> >> barbeque, just muddy the issue.  Best wishes, Anne
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> On 18/4/10 12:37, "John Lawton" <chair at soscambridge.org.uk> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>>> >>> At 12:11 18/04/2010, peter constable wrote:
>>>>> >>>> Already the Greens are being badly damaged by barbecues, smoke
>>>>> >>>> pollution and the litter. Last weekend it was all  was of epic
>>>>> >>>> proportions.
>>>>> >>>> As usual there is with an inadequate supply of dustbins and the style
>>>>> >>>> of those supplied come from the very cheapest end of local hardware
>>>>> >>>> shop stock.
>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>> >>>> The old question of notices and litter penalties arises yet again.
>>>>> >>>> Isn't it time for notices and enforcement right across the City
>>>>> greens?
>>>>> >>>> Litter picking, even on St George's day, only reinforces the habit of
>>>>> >>>> litterbugs.
>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>> >>>> Can we do something NOW.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Thanks Peter,
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> The design of notices is apparently in hand.  Debbie Kaye posted this
>>>> >>> on Friday:
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> "All
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Sarah Tovell started work on signage for parks this week and will be
>>>> >>> liaising with both legal services and the Executive Councillor to
>>>> >>> agree style/appearance and content before the signs are commissioned
>>>> >>> and installed - hopefully for around the first May Bank Holiday.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> The signs will state clearly that  that unauthorised camping, fires
>>>> >>> and BBQs are not permitted.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> The signs are proposed at the main entrances to the following parks
>>>> >>> and open spaces:
>>>> >>> Sheeps Green, Lammas Land, Mill Pond and Coe Fen
>>>> >>> Jesus Green
>>>> >>> Stourbridge Common
>>>> >>> Midsummer Common
>>>> >>> Parkers Piece
>>>> >>> Cherry Hinton Hall
>>>> >>> Coldhams Common
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> In the meantime, if problems with camping or fires occur, the
>>>> >>> following arrangements are in place:
>>>> >>> In office hours, phone 01223 457000 and report the problem to the
>>>> >>> Enforcement Team
>>>> >>> Out of office hours, telephone 01223 457457. The out of hours service
>>>> >>> will refer to either the Enforcement team and/or the Police.The
>>>> >>> Enforcement Out of Hours service starts 1st May, so in the meantime,
>>>> >>> the Police will be notified.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> We have reported the problems last night to both the Enforcement
>>>> >>> Officer and the Out of hours service, and so both are aware."
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> I have suggested to here that sanctions (fines etc) should be
>>>> >>> included on the notices.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> John Lawton
>>>> >>> Chair
>>>> >>> 
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