From townnotgown at btinternet.com Mon Jan 3 19:10:47 2011 From: townnotgown at btinternet.com (Allan Brigham) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:10:47 -0000 Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From townnotgown at btinternet.com Tue Jan 4 05:00:39 2011 From: townnotgown at btinternet.com (Allan Brigham) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:00:39 -0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" (Joanna Gordon Clark) 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk End of discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 ************************************** From bsh1 at cam.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 11:14:37 2011 From: bsh1 at cam.ac.uk (B Shachar-Hill) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:14:37 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Message-ID: At 05:00 04/01/2011, you wrote: Trees on streets Yes, should be made a high priority in this city and not only on new roads. This is particularly important because we lost a lot [more that a 1000! ] in the last few years due to the ceaseless zeal of the tree team. We should work to persuade the council to incorporate the replacement of felled and planting of new trees as a high priority in their evaluation and reconsideration of their tree and green space policy. They are now embarked on this and the more input there is from SOS and all local groups the better. The Alexandra Gardens campaign is at a crucial stage and we should know this week where the council is heading. The oak tree on MSC has also provided a good focus for reminding the council that misguided decisions should be reversed. We should continue. Bruria >Trees on streets > >Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially >when building new roads ? > >We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very >hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as >improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for >funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council >officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems >with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost >impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in >future policy documents ? >allan > >-----Original Message----- >From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk >[mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of >discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk >Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 >To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > >Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > >You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > (Joanna Gordon Clark) > 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) >From: Joanna Gordon Clark >To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban > trees" >Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >?????? Joanna > > > >----- Forwarded Message ---- >From: Joanna Gordon Clark >To: SOS Cambridge discussion list >Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 >Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > >Please forgive typos am in a rush > >I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced > >objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being >there >or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut >down >and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather >like >Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 >emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague >assertion >of replacement. > >Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut >down >a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and >now, >as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too >free a >rein because of housing pressure, >all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me >to >the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild > >things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so >on, >the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks >at >any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? >especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more >alien >the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is >almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally >grateful >to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly >and >that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not >allowing >things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? > >Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when >I >bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches >or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power >crazy >local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail >miserably >to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, >mature, >plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? > >As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and >bear >witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of >that >time, well they do for me. >the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is >clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you >how >long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. > >I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee > >that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time >indeed - >that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and >villages >shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to >plant?a >?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move >in, >move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. >Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of >England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he >can >do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? > > >we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree >group, >the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any >protest >- so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps > >that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. > >Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting >with >the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things >are >ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the >council >- the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the >more >the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be >supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the >time >for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna >Gordon Clark >?????? Joanna > > > > >________________________________ >From: Ellie Stoneley >To: SOS Cambridge discussion list >Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk >Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 >Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > >this article also of interest >http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil >lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz >wrote: > >So topical! > > > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not >what we > >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an >article > >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's > >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted >in > >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by >Defra, > >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of > > >them. > > > > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of >44%, > >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As > >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve >where we > >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > > > >Lisa Buchholz > > > > > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > > > >This is a good read, including the comments: > >> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm > >> > >>John Lawton > >>SOS Chair > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>discuss mailing list > >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >discuss mailing list > >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > >-- >ellie stoneley >+44 (0) 7989 978763 >@e11ie5 on Twitter > >I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider >donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is >to >raise ?5,000 > >http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com >The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days >after I >came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in >April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, >being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the > >plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty >in >one of the poorest countries of the world. > >- >This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. >If >you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or >copy >this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have >received >this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. > >? >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended >solely for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed. Finally, >the >recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of >viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus >transmitted by this email. > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >s/20101203/2f49ae2e/attachment-0001.html> >-------------- next part -------------- >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:10:47 -0000 >From: "Allan Brigham" >To: >Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey >Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right >language to advocate the value of green spaces. > > > >The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for >park maintenance and improvement. > > > >Allan > > > > > > _____ > >From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 >Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces > > > >r.gif> > >Can't read this email? > Click here >to see text version > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > >Happiness index; good for green spaces >Green space must be added to happy list! > > >g> > > > > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > > > >rve.gif> > > > >Dear supporter > >As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall >happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional >wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, >freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list >goes on. > >GreenSpace's latest > editorial >commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge >access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of >indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and >onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use >or copy the editorial. > > Click to >view well-being proposals > > >We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online > survey >compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most >in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's >wellbeing. > >Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall >health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details >at >www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. > >Best wishes > >The team at GreenSpace > > > >mCurve.gif> > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > >CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk > > >Unsubscribe | > Forward to >a friend > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >s/20110103/a9116b8d/attachment.html> > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > >End of discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 >************************************** > > > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 4 18:01:28 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial.? Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at? www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace |? info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Utilities appear to have the right to do whatever they like but maybe that is something worth lobbying about nationally . But first step would be to see what was possible locally. Even if trees cannot be afforded at present provision should be made for them with any new road schemes, but policies need to have that built into them well before the schemes start or it is too late as highway engineers tend to see their job to improve highways and not to do environmental improvements. allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 04 January 2011 18:02 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 (Joanna Gordon Clark) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm at web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial.? Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at? www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace |? info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk End of discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 ************************************** From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 6 18:47:44 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:47:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <379311.66362.qm@web29714.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Further to earlier discussion, think all people concerned about trees in Cambridge that can should pressure their local councillors to alter the policy on trees of the council (city, that is) so that the overall policy on trees is put up for 'consultation ' with the pubic before it is formalised, not just policy on separate areas.? so that we would have an input to the original policy and not be reacting to separate proposed actions of the council's.? With alexandra gardens, we had to react and so far it looks as tho we have had significant impact on the council's sadly badly informed decision-making.? But it all had to be brought together fast to stop the chopping down in last October of 100 yr old plane trees.? we are still fighting for their survival and for the council to accept that the trees are really and truly not the problem.? this means that a lot of good people had to put parts of their lives on hold to stop the disaster from happening, and?it is difficult to?consistently do that, as you really want to have a sensible tree policy in the first place.? I suggested to alan levy, one of our local councillors, that this be considered and he looked interested.? But it won't just happen.??Perhaps we need some kind of time frame at least within whcih the council commits to taking no action while consultation, proper consultation, takes place, and before that, even, a policy which would involve the major groups and individuals who want to do so in planning tree management and policy. That would then include things like planting trees along new highways.?? Just a thought. Joanna ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 18:01:28 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. 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URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 8 19:10:41 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:10:41 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <00c501cbac4a$70569170$5103b450$@com> References: <00c501cbac4a$70569170$5103b450$@com> Message-ID: YES it's true, they don't have to go through the Planning Procedures It was only through the Cambridge News that Jesus Green Militants found out the electricity people were about to site a massive station on the Green. Granted it has to go somewhere but hardly there, and they nearly got away with it. AG On 4 January 2011 20:03, Allan Brigham wrote: > It is something that all interested could take up with their county > councillors, who are the Highway Authorities. > > Utilities appear to have the right to do whatever they like but maybe that > is something worth lobbying about nationally . But first step would be to > see what was possible locally. Even if trees cannot be afforded at present > provision should be made for them with any new road schemes, but policies > need to have that built into them well before the schemes start or it is > too > late as highway engineers tend to see their job to improve highways and not > to do environmental improvements. > > allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk > [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: 04 January 2011 18:02 > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 > > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 (Joanna Gordon Clark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm at web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees > should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in > fact > utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for > instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, > and > the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through > long > > established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. > ?????? Joanna > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Allan Brigham > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > > Trees on streets > > Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially > when building new roads ? > > We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very > hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as > improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for > funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council > officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems > with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost > impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in > future policy documents ? > allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk > [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) > ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban > ??? trees" > Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > ?????? Joanna > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > > Please forgive typos am in a rush > > I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily > replaced > > objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being > there > or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut > down > and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather > like > Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 > emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague > assertion > of replacement. > > Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut > down > a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and > now, > as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too > free a > rein because of housing pressure, > all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me > to > the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of > wild > > things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so > on, > the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, > looks > at > any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? > especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more > alien > the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is > almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally > grateful > to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees > mostly > and > that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not > allowing > things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? > > Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when > I > bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches > or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power > crazy > local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail > miserably > to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, > mature, > plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? > > As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and > bear > witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of > that > time, well they do for me. > the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is > clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you > how > long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. > > I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a > guarantee > > that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time > indeed - > that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and > villages > shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to > plant?a > ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move > in, > move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. > Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of > England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he > can > do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? > > > we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree > group, > the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any > protest > - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful > perhaps > > that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. > > Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting > with > the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things > are > ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the > council > - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the > more > the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be > supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the > time > for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna > Gordon Clark > ?????? Joanna > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ellie Stoneley > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > this article also of interest > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil > lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd > > > > On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz > wrote: > > So topical! > > > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not > what we > >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an > article > >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's > >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be > planted > in > >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by > Defra, > >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot > of > > >them. > > > > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of > 44%, > >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As > >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve > where we > >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > > > >Lisa Buchholz > > > > > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > > > >This is a good read, including the comments: > >> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm > >> > >>John Lawton > >>SOS Chair > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>discuss mailing list > >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >discuss mailing list > >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > > -- > ellie stoneley > +44 (0) 7989 978763 > @e11ie5 on Twitter > > I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider > donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target > is > to > raise ?5,000 > > http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com > The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days > after I > came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in > April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, > being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at > the > > plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme > poverty > in > one of the poorest countries of the world. > > - > This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. > If > you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or > copy > this email. 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URL: From ceo at cambridgeppf.org Mon Jan 10 16:19:26 2011 From: ceo at cambridgeppf.org (Carolin Gohler) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:19:26 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] Tress and cambridge - Planting Campaign Message-ID: <4D2B318E.8010107@cambridgeppf.org> Dear all, Just back from holiday and concur with Allan that in built up areas it sometimes is extremely difficult to plant new trees - underground utilities cause major problems and some local neighbours are not keen on trees. CambridgePPF is encouraging more tree planting and over its 80 year's of existence has contributed quite a lot to the city's green fabric. We have also responded to the Government's recent call to plant more trees - see our web site's home page: www.cambridgeppf.org Look for : * We have just *celebrated the planting 10,000 trees at our Coton Countryside Reserve *(recent 5 years) and hoping to plant more i.e. a further orchard of 100 trees is proposed in the next year and more woodland hedge etc planting in the following years * *Big Tree Plant Campaign- *we have made call for more tree planting made see our *press release* - http://www.cambridgeppf.org/documents/big_tree-plant.doc and *Cambridge News* e-print http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge/Trees-needed-to-restore-iconic-role.htm *Please let us have your views, ideas and support by end of this month.* Please contact *enquiries at cambridgeppf.org* Kind regards and happy New Year! Carolin G?hler *Carolin G?hler * ceo at cambridgeppf.org Tel - 01223-243830 x 203 Cambridge Past, Present & Future Wandlebury Ring, Gog Magog Hills, Babraham, Cambridge CB22 3AE Become a member and support us - please see our new website: www.cambridgeppf.org *Cambridge* *Past, Present & Future***(CambridgePPF) -- a charity working to keep Cambridge and its surroundings special by positively influencing planning developments, delivering environmental education and managing the Green spaces and historic buildings in its care -- for the benefit for all. Cambridge Past, Present & Future (formerly Cambridge Preservation Society) /Registered Charity No. 204121. Non-profit making company limited by guarantee, registered in England No. 239835./ Registered Office: Wandlebury Ring, Gog Magog Hills, Babraham, Cambridge CB22 3AE. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential (so far as is allowed by law) and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the CambridgePPF. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Allan Brigham *To:* discuss at soscambridge.org.uk *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk ] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" (Joanna Gordon Clark) 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz > wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton > wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | > info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One can get to Elvaston in a day by public transport: go by train (or bus/train via Bedford) to Leicester, Loughborough or Derby then catch the 24 hour Skylink bus service. It's even possible for those with concessionary passes to get there for nothing on a Saturday, with 2 hours in the grounds, by changing at Bedford, Northampton and Leicester. Simon Norton From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 18 15:02:30 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:02:30 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] Derbyshire campaign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for this - and particularly for the transport links. On 18 January 2011 13:42, Simon Norton wrote: > May I suggest that members of this group lend their support to those of our > brothers and sisters who are trying to save the grounds of Elvaston Castle > near > Derby. To see the issues -- which include tree felling ! -- go to the > campaign > website at . > > One can get to Elvaston in a day by public transport: go by train (or > bus/train > via Bedford) to Leicester, Loughborough or Derby then catch the 24 hour > Skylink > bus service. It's even possible for those with concessionary passes to get > there > for nothing on a Saturday, with 2 hours in the grounds, by changing at > Bedford, > Northampton and Leicester. > > Simon Norton > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From townnotgown at btinternet.com Mon Jan 3 19:10:47 2011 From: townnotgown at btinternet.com (Allan Brigham) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:10:47 -0000 Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From townnotgown at btinternet.com Tue Jan 4 05:00:39 2011 From: townnotgown at btinternet.com (Allan Brigham) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:00:39 -0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" (Joanna Gordon Clark) 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. ? This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:10:47 -0000 From: "Allan Brigham" To: Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk End of discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 ************************************** From bsh1 at cam.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 11:14:37 2011 From: bsh1 at cam.ac.uk (B Shachar-Hill) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:14:37 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Message-ID: At 05:00 04/01/2011, you wrote: Trees on streets Yes, should be made a high priority in this city and not only on new roads. This is particularly important because we lost a lot [more that a 1000! ] in the last few years due to the ceaseless zeal of the tree team. We should work to persuade the council to incorporate the replacement of felled and planting of new trees as a high priority in their evaluation and reconsideration of their tree and green space policy. They are now embarked on this and the more input there is from SOS and all local groups the better. The Alexandra Gardens campaign is at a crucial stage and we should know this week where the council is heading. The oak tree on MSC has also provided a good focus for reminding the council that misguided decisions should be reversed. We should continue. Bruria >Trees on streets > >Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially >when building new roads ? > >We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very >hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as >improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for >funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council >officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems >with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost >impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in >future policy documents ? >allan > >-----Original Message----- >From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk >[mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of >discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk >Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 >To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > >Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > >You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > (Joanna Gordon Clark) > 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) >From: Joanna Gordon Clark >To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban > trees" >Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >?????? Joanna > > > >----- Forwarded Message ---- >From: Joanna Gordon Clark >To: SOS Cambridge discussion list >Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 >Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > >Please forgive typos am in a rush > >I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced > >objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being >there >or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut >down >and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather >like >Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 >emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague >assertion >of replacement. > >Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut >down >a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and >now, >as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too >free a >rein because of housing pressure, >all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me >to >the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild > >things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so >on, >the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks >at >any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? >especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more >alien >the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is >almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally >grateful >to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly >and >that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not >allowing >things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? > >Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when >I >bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches >or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power >crazy >local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail >miserably >to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, >mature, >plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? > >As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and >bear >witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of >that >time, well they do for me. >the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is >clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you >how >long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. > >I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee > >that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time >indeed - >that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and >villages >shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to >plant?a >?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move >in, >move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. >Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of >England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he >can >do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? > > >we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree >group, >the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any >protest >- so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps > >that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. > >Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting >with >the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things >are >ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the >council >- the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the >more >the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be >supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the >time >for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna >Gordon Clark >?????? Joanna > > > > >________________________________ >From: Ellie Stoneley >To: SOS Cambridge discussion list >Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk >Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 >Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > >this article also of interest >http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil >lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz >wrote: > >So topical! > > > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not >what we > >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an >article > >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's > >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted >in > >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by >Defra, > >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of > > >them. > > > > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of >44%, > >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As > >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve >where we > >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > > > >Lisa Buchholz > > > > > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > > > >This is a good read, including the comments: > >> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm > >> > >>John Lawton > >>SOS Chair > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>discuss mailing list > >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >discuss mailing list > >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > >-- >ellie stoneley >+44 (0) 7989 978763 >@e11ie5 on Twitter > >I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider >donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is >to >raise ?5,000 > >http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com >The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days >after I >came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in >April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, >being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the > >plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty >in >one of the poorest countries of the world. > >- >This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. >If >you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or >copy >this email. 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Survey >Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right >language to advocate the value of green spaces. > > > >The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for >park maintenance and improvement. > > > >Allan > > > > > > _____ > >From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 >Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces > > > >r.gif> > >Can't read this email? > Click here >to see text version > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > >Happiness index; good for green spaces >Green space must be added to happy list! > > >g> > > > > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > > > >rve.gif> > > > >Dear supporter > >As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall >happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional >wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, >freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list >goes on. > >GreenSpace's latest > editorial >commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge >access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of >indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and >onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use >or copy the editorial. > > Click to >view well-being proposals > > >We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online > survey >compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most >in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's >wellbeing. > >Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall >health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details >at >www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. > >Best wishes > >The team at GreenSpace > > > >mCurve.gif> > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > >CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk > > >Unsubscribe | > Forward to >a friend > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >s/20110103/a9116b8d/attachment.html> > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > >End of discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 >************************************** > > > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 4 18:01:28 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial.? Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at? www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace |? info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Utilities appear to have the right to do whatever they like but maybe that is something worth lobbying about nationally . But first step would be to see what was possible locally. Even if trees cannot be afforded at present provision should be made for them with any new road schemes, but policies need to have that built into them well before the schemes start or it is too late as highway engineers tend to see their job to improve highways and not to do environmental improvements. allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 04 January 2011 18:02 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 (Joanna Gordon Clark) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm at web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. 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Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. 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URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk End of discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 ************************************** From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 6 18:47:44 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:47:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <379311.66362.qm@web29714.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Further to earlier discussion, think all people concerned about trees in Cambridge that can should pressure their local councillors to alter the policy on trees of the council (city, that is) so that the overall policy on trees is put up for 'consultation ' with the pubic before it is formalised, not just policy on separate areas.? so that we would have an input to the original policy and not be reacting to separate proposed actions of the council's.? With alexandra gardens, we had to react and so far it looks as tho we have had significant impact on the council's sadly badly informed decision-making.? But it all had to be brought together fast to stop the chopping down in last October of 100 yr old plane trees.? we are still fighting for their survival and for the council to accept that the trees are really and truly not the problem.? this means that a lot of good people had to put parts of their lives on hold to stop the disaster from happening, and?it is difficult to?consistently do that, as you really want to have a sensible tree policy in the first place.? I suggested to alan levy, one of our local councillors, that this be considered and he looked interested.? But it won't just happen.??Perhaps we need some kind of time frame at least within whcih the council commits to taking no action while consultation, proper consultation, takes place, and before that, even, a policy which would involve the major groups and individuals who want to do so in planning tree management and policy. That would then include things like planting trees along new highways.?? Just a thought. Joanna ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 18:01:28 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial.? Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at? www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace |? info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 8 19:10:41 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:10:41 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <00c501cbac4a$70569170$5103b450$@com> References: <00c501cbac4a$70569170$5103b450$@com> Message-ID: YES it's true, they don't have to go through the Planning Procedures It was only through the Cambridge News that Jesus Green Militants found out the electricity people were about to site a massive station on the Green. Granted it has to go somewhere but hardly there, and they nearly got away with it. AG On 4 January 2011 20:03, Allan Brigham wrote: > It is something that all interested could take up with their county > councillors, who are the Highway Authorities. > > Utilities appear to have the right to do whatever they like but maybe that > is something worth lobbying about nationally . But first step would be to > see what was possible locally. Even if trees cannot be afforded at present > provision should be made for them with any new road schemes, but policies > need to have that built into them well before the schemes start or it is > too > late as highway engineers tend to see their job to improve highways and not > to do environmental improvements. > > allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk > [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: 04 January 2011 18:02 > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 > > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 (Joanna Gordon Clark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm at web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees > should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in > fact > utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for > instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, > and > the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through > long > > established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. > ?????? Joanna > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Allan Brigham > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > > Trees on streets > > Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially > when building new roads ? > > We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very > hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as > improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for > funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council > officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems > with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost > impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in > future policy documents ? > allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk > [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) > ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban > ??? trees" > Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > ?????? Joanna > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > > Please forgive typos am in a rush > > I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily > replaced > > objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being > there > or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut > down > and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather > like > Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 > emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague > assertion > of replacement. > > Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut > down > a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and > now, > as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too > free a > rein because of housing pressure, > all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me > to > the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of > wild > > things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so > on, > the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, > looks > at > any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? > especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more > alien > the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is > almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally > grateful > to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees > mostly > and > that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not > allowing > things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? > > Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when > I > bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches > or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power > crazy > local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail > miserably > to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, > mature, > plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? > > As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and > bear > witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of > that > time, well they do for me. > the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is > clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you > how > long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. > > I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a > guarantee > > that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time > indeed - > that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and > villages > shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to > plant?a > ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move > in, > move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. > Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of > England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he > can > do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? > > > we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree > group, > the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any > protest > - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful > perhaps > > that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. > > Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting > with > the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things > are > ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the > council > - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the > more > the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be > supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the > time > for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna > Gordon Clark > ?????? Joanna > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ellie Stoneley > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > this article also of interest > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil > lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd > > > > On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz > wrote: > > So topical! > > > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not > what we > >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an > article > >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's > >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be > planted > in > >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by > Defra, > >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot > of > > >them. > > > > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of > 44%, > >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As > >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve > where we > >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > > > >Lisa Buchholz > > > > > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > > > >This is a good read, including the comments: > >> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm > >> > >>John Lawton > >>SOS Chair > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>discuss mailing list > >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >discuss mailing list > >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > > -- > ellie stoneley > +44 (0) 7989 978763 > @e11ie5 on Twitter > > I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider > donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target > is > to > raise ?5,000 > > http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com > The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days > after I > came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in > April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, > being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at > the > > plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme > poverty > in > one of the poorest countries of the world. > > - > This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. > If > you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or > copy > this email. 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URL: From ceo at cambridgeppf.org Mon Jan 10 16:19:26 2011 From: ceo at cambridgeppf.org (Carolin Gohler) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:19:26 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] Tress and cambridge - Planting Campaign Message-ID: <4D2B318E.8010107@cambridgeppf.org> Dear all, Just back from holiday and concur with Allan that in built up areas it sometimes is extremely difficult to plant new trees - underground utilities cause major problems and some local neighbours are not keen on trees. CambridgePPF is encouraging more tree planting and over its 80 year's of existence has contributed quite a lot to the city's green fabric. We have also responded to the Government's recent call to plant more trees - see our web site's home page: www.cambridgeppf.org Look for : * We have just *celebrated the planting 10,000 trees at our Coton Countryside Reserve *(recent 5 years) and hoping to plant more i.e. a further orchard of 100 trees is proposed in the next year and more woodland hedge etc planting in the following years * *Big Tree Plant Campaign- *we have made call for more tree planting made see our *press release* - http://www.cambridgeppf.org/documents/big_tree-plant.doc and *Cambridge News* e-print http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge/Trees-needed-to-restore-iconic-role.htm *Please let us have your views, ideas and support by end of this month.* Please contact *enquiries at cambridgeppf.org* Kind regards and happy New Year! 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However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk ] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" (Joanna Gordon Clark) 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz > wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton > wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | > info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One can get to Elvaston in a day by public transport: go by train (or bus/train via Bedford) to Leicester, Loughborough or Derby then catch the 24 hour Skylink bus service. It's even possible for those with concessionary passes to get there for nothing on a Saturday, with 2 hours in the grounds, by changing at Bedford, Northampton and Leicester. Simon Norton From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 18 15:02:30 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:02:30 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] Derbyshire campaign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for this - and particularly for the transport links. On 18 January 2011 13:42, Simon Norton wrote: > May I suggest that members of this group lend their support to those of our > brothers and sisters who are trying to save the grounds of Elvaston Castle > near > Derby. To see the issues -- which include tree felling ! -- go to the > campaign > website at . > > One can get to Elvaston in a day by public transport: go by train (or > bus/train > via Bedford) to Leicester, Loughborough or Derby then catch the 24 hour > Skylink > bus service. It's even possible for those with concessionary passes to get > there > for nothing on a Saturday, with 2 hours in the grounds, by changing at > Bedford, > Northampton and Leicester. > > Simon Norton > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From townnotgown at btinternet.com Mon Jan 3 19:10:47 2011 From: townnotgown at btinternet.com (Allan Brigham) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:10:47 -0000 Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" (Joanna Gordon Clark) 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk End of discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 ************************************** From bsh1 at cam.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 11:14:37 2011 From: bsh1 at cam.ac.uk (B Shachar-Hill) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:14:37 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Message-ID: At 05:00 04/01/2011, you wrote: Trees on streets Yes, should be made a high priority in this city and not only on new roads. This is particularly important because we lost a lot [more that a 1000! ] in the last few years due to the ceaseless zeal of the tree team. We should work to persuade the council to incorporate the replacement of felled and planting of new trees as a high priority in their evaluation and reconsideration of their tree and green space policy. They are now embarked on this and the more input there is from SOS and all local groups the better. The Alexandra Gardens campaign is at a crucial stage and we should know this week where the council is heading. The oak tree on MSC has also provided a good focus for reminding the council that misguided decisions should be reversed. We should continue. Bruria >Trees on streets > >Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially >when building new roads ? > >We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very >hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as >improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for >funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council >officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems >with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost >impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in >future policy documents ? >allan > >-----Original Message----- >From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk >[mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of >discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk >Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 >To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > >Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > >You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > (Joanna Gordon Clark) > 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) >From: Joanna Gordon Clark >To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban > trees" >Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >?????? Joanna > > > >----- Forwarded Message ---- >From: Joanna Gordon Clark >To: SOS Cambridge discussion list >Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 >Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > >Please forgive typos am in a rush > >I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced > >objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being >there >or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut >down >and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather >like >Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 >emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague >assertion >of replacement. > >Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut >down >a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and >now, >as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too >free a >rein because of housing pressure, >all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me >to >the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild > >things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so >on, >the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks >at >any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? >especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more >alien >the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is >almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally >grateful >to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly >and >that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not >allowing >things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? > >Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when >I >bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches >or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power >crazy >local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail >miserably >to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, >mature, >plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? > >As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and >bear >witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of >that >time, well they do for me. >the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is >clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you >how >long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. > >I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee > >that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time >indeed - >that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and >villages >shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to >plant?a >?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move >in, >move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. >Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of >England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he >can >do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? > > >we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree >group, >the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any >protest >- so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps > >that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. > >Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting >with >the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things >are >ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the >council >- the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the >more >the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be >supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the >time >for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna >Gordon Clark >?????? Joanna > > > > >________________________________ >From: Ellie Stoneley >To: SOS Cambridge discussion list >Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk >Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 >Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > >this article also of interest >http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil >lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz >wrote: > >So topical! > > > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not >what we > >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an >article > >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's > >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted >in > >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by >Defra, > >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of > > >them. > > > > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of >44%, > >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As > >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve >where we > >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > > > >Lisa Buchholz > > > > > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > > > >This is a good read, including the comments: > >> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm > >> > >>John Lawton > >>SOS Chair > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>discuss mailing list > >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >discuss mailing list > >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > >-- >ellie stoneley >+44 (0) 7989 978763 >@e11ie5 on Twitter > >I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider >donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is >to >raise ?5,000 > >http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com >The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days >after I >came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in >April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, >being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the > >plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty >in >one of the poorest countries of the world. > >- >This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. >If >you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or >copy >this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have >received >this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. > >? >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended >solely for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed. Finally, >the >recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of >viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus >transmitted by this email. > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >s/20101203/2f49ae2e/attachment-0001.html> >-------------- next part -------------- >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:10:47 -0000 >From: "Allan Brigham" >To: >Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey >Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right >language to advocate the value of green spaces. > > > >The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for >park maintenance and improvement. > > > >Allan > > > > > > _____ > >From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 >Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces > > > >r.gif> > >Can't read this email? > Click here >to see text version > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > >Happiness index; good for green spaces >Green space must be added to happy list! > > >g> > > > > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > > > >rve.gif> > > > >Dear supporter > >As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall >happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional >wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, >freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list >goes on. > >GreenSpace's latest > editorial >commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge >access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of >indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and >onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use >or copy the editorial. > > Click to >view well-being proposals > > >We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online > survey >compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most >in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's >wellbeing. > >Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall >health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details >at >www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. > >Best wishes > >The team at GreenSpace > > > >mCurve.gif> > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > >CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk > > >Unsubscribe | > Forward to >a friend > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >s/20110103/a9116b8d/attachment.html> > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > >End of discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 >************************************** > > > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 4 18:01:28 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial.? Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at? www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace |? info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Utilities appear to have the right to do whatever they like but maybe that is something worth lobbying about nationally . But first step would be to see what was possible locally. Even if trees cannot be afforded at present provision should be made for them with any new road schemes, but policies need to have that built into them well before the schemes start or it is too late as highway engineers tend to see their job to improve highways and not to do environmental improvements. allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 04 January 2011 18:02 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 (Joanna Gordon Clark) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm at web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial.? Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at? www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace |? info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk End of discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 ************************************** From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 6 18:47:44 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:47:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <379311.66362.qm@web29714.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Further to earlier discussion, think all people concerned about trees in Cambridge that can should pressure their local councillors to alter the policy on trees of the council (city, that is) so that the overall policy on trees is put up for 'consultation ' with the pubic before it is formalised, not just policy on separate areas.? so that we would have an input to the original policy and not be reacting to separate proposed actions of the council's.? With alexandra gardens, we had to react and so far it looks as tho we have had significant impact on the council's sadly badly informed decision-making.? But it all had to be brought together fast to stop the chopping down in last October of 100 yr old plane trees.? we are still fighting for their survival and for the council to accept that the trees are really and truly not the problem.? this means that a lot of good people had to put parts of their lives on hold to stop the disaster from happening, and?it is difficult to?consistently do that, as you really want to have a sensible tree policy in the first place.? I suggested to alan levy, one of our local councillors, that this be considered and he looked interested.? But it won't just happen.??Perhaps we need some kind of time frame at least within whcih the council commits to taking no action while consultation, proper consultation, takes place, and before that, even, a policy which would involve the major groups and individuals who want to do so in planning tree management and policy. That would then include things like planting trees along new highways.?? Just a thought. Joanna ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 18:01:28 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. 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URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 8 19:10:41 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:10:41 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <00c501cbac4a$70569170$5103b450$@com> References: <00c501cbac4a$70569170$5103b450$@com> Message-ID: YES it's true, they don't have to go through the Planning Procedures It was only through the Cambridge News that Jesus Green Militants found out the electricity people were about to site a massive station on the Green. Granted it has to go somewhere but hardly there, and they nearly got away with it. AG On 4 January 2011 20:03, Allan Brigham wrote: > It is something that all interested could take up with their county > councillors, who are the Highway Authorities. > > Utilities appear to have the right to do whatever they like but maybe that > is something worth lobbying about nationally . But first step would be to > see what was possible locally. Even if trees cannot be afforded at present > provision should be made for them with any new road schemes, but policies > need to have that built into them well before the schemes start or it is > too > late as highway engineers tend to see their job to improve highways and not > to do environmental improvements. > > allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk > [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: 04 January 2011 18:02 > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 > > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 (Joanna Gordon Clark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm at web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees > should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in > fact > utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for > instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, > and > the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through > long > > established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. > ?????? Joanna > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Allan Brigham > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > > Trees on streets > > Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially > when building new roads ? > > We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very > hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as > improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for > funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council > officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems > with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost > impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in > future policy documents ? > allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk > [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) > ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban > ??? trees" > Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > ?????? Joanna > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > > Please forgive typos am in a rush > > I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily > replaced > > objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being > there > or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut > down > and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather > like > Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 > emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague > assertion > of replacement. > > Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut > down > a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and > now, > as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too > free a > rein because of housing pressure, > all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me > to > the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of > wild > > things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so > on, > the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, > looks > at > any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? > especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more > alien > the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is > almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally > grateful > to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees > mostly > and > that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not > allowing > things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? > > Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when > I > bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches > or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power > crazy > local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail > miserably > to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, > mature, > plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? > > As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and > bear > witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of > that > time, well they do for me. > the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is > clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you > how > long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. > > I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a > guarantee > > that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time > indeed - > that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and > villages > shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to > plant?a > ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move > in, > move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. > Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of > England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he > can > do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? > > > we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree > group, > the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any > protest > - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful > perhaps > > that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. > > Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting > with > the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things > are > ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the > council > - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the > more > the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be > supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the > time > for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna > Gordon Clark > ?????? Joanna > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ellie Stoneley > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > this article also of interest > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil > lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd > > > > On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz > wrote: > > So topical! > > > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not > what we > >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an > article > >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's > >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be > planted > in > >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by > Defra, > >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot > of > > >them. > > > > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of > 44%, > >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As > >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve > where we > >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > > > >Lisa Buchholz > > > > > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > > > >This is a good read, including the comments: > >> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm > >> > >>John Lawton > >>SOS Chair > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>discuss mailing list > >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >discuss mailing list > >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > > -- > ellie stoneley > +44 (0) 7989 978763 > @e11ie5 on Twitter > > I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider > donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target > is > to > raise ?5,000 > > http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com > The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days > after I > came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in > April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, > being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at > the > > plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme > poverty > in > one of the poorest countries of the world. > > - > This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. > If > you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or > copy > this email. 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URL: From ceo at cambridgeppf.org Mon Jan 10 16:19:26 2011 From: ceo at cambridgeppf.org (Carolin Gohler) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:19:26 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] Tress and cambridge - Planting Campaign Message-ID: <4D2B318E.8010107@cambridgeppf.org> Dear all, Just back from holiday and concur with Allan that in built up areas it sometimes is extremely difficult to plant new trees - underground utilities cause major problems and some local neighbours are not keen on trees. CambridgePPF is encouraging more tree planting and over its 80 year's of existence has contributed quite a lot to the city's green fabric. We have also responded to the Government's recent call to plant more trees - see our web site's home page: www.cambridgeppf.org Look for : * We have just *celebrated the planting 10,000 trees at our Coton Countryside Reserve *(recent 5 years) and hoping to plant more i.e. a further orchard of 100 trees is proposed in the next year and more woodland hedge etc planting in the following years * *Big Tree Plant Campaign- *we have made call for more tree planting made see our *press release* - http://www.cambridgeppf.org/documents/big_tree-plant.doc and *Cambridge News* e-print http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge/Trees-needed-to-restore-iconic-role.htm *Please let us have your views, ideas and support by end of this month.* Please contact *enquiries at cambridgeppf.org* Kind regards and happy New Year! Carolin G?hler *Carolin G?hler * ceo at cambridgeppf.org Tel - 01223-243830 x 203 Cambridge Past, Present & Future Wandlebury Ring, Gog Magog Hills, Babraham, Cambridge CB22 3AE Become a member and support us - please see our new website: www.cambridgeppf.org *Cambridge* *Past, Present & Future***(CambridgePPF) -- a charity working to keep Cambridge and its surroundings special by positively influencing planning developments, delivering environmental education and managing the Green spaces and historic buildings in its care -- for the benefit for all. Cambridge Past, Present & Future (formerly Cambridge Preservation Society) /Registered Charity No. 204121. Non-profit making company limited by guarantee, registered in England No. 239835./ Registered Office: Wandlebury Ring, Gog Magog Hills, Babraham, Cambridge CB22 3AE. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential (so far as is allowed by law) and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the CambridgePPF. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Allan Brigham *To:* discuss at soscambridge.org.uk *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk ] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" (Joanna Gordon Clark) 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz > wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton > wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | > info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One can get to Elvaston in a day by public transport: go by train (or bus/train via Bedford) to Leicester, Loughborough or Derby then catch the 24 hour Skylink bus service. It's even possible for those with concessionary passes to get there for nothing on a Saturday, with 2 hours in the grounds, by changing at Bedford, Northampton and Leicester. Simon Norton From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 18 15:02:30 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:02:30 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] Derbyshire campaign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for this - and particularly for the transport links. On 18 January 2011 13:42, Simon Norton wrote: > May I suggest that members of this group lend their support to those of our > brothers and sisters who are trying to save the grounds of Elvaston Castle > near > Derby. To see the issues -- which include tree felling ! -- go to the > campaign > website at . > > One can get to Elvaston in a day by public transport: go by train (or > bus/train > via Bedford) to Leicester, Loughborough or Derby then catch the 24 hour > Skylink > bus service. It's even possible for those with concessionary passes to get > there > for nothing on a Saturday, with 2 hours in the grounds, by changing at > Bedford, > Northampton and Leicester. > > Simon Norton > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From townnotgown at btinternet.com Mon Jan 3 19:10:47 2011 From: townnotgown at btinternet.com (Allan Brigham) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:10:47 -0000 Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From townnotgown at btinternet.com Tue Jan 4 05:00:39 2011 From: townnotgown at btinternet.com (Allan Brigham) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:00:39 -0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" (Joanna Gordon Clark) 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this email by mistake and delete this email from your system. ? This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:10:47 -0000 From: "Allan Brigham" To: Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk End of discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 ************************************** From bsh1 at cam.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 11:14:37 2011 From: bsh1 at cam.ac.uk (B Shachar-Hill) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:14:37 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Message-ID: At 05:00 04/01/2011, you wrote: Trees on streets Yes, should be made a high priority in this city and not only on new roads. This is particularly important because we lost a lot [more that a 1000! ] in the last few years due to the ceaseless zeal of the tree team. We should work to persuade the council to incorporate the replacement of felled and planting of new trees as a high priority in their evaluation and reconsideration of their tree and green space policy. They are now embarked on this and the more input there is from SOS and all local groups the better. The Alexandra Gardens campaign is at a crucial stage and we should know this week where the council is heading. The oak tree on MSC has also provided a good focus for reminding the council that misguided decisions should be reversed. We should continue. Bruria >Trees on streets > >Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially >when building new roads ? > >We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very >hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as >improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for >funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council >officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems >with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost >impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in >future policy documents ? >allan > >-----Original Message----- >From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk >[mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of >discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk >Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 >To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > >Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > >You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > (Joanna Gordon Clark) > 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) >From: Joanna Gordon Clark >To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban > trees" >Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >?????? Joanna > > > >----- Forwarded Message ---- >From: Joanna Gordon Clark >To: SOS Cambridge discussion list >Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 >Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > >Please forgive typos am in a rush > >I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced > >objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being >there >or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut >down >and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather >like >Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 >emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague >assertion >of replacement. > >Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut >down >a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and >now, >as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too >free a >rein because of housing pressure, >all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me >to >the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild > >things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so >on, >the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks >at >any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? >especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more >alien >the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is >almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally >grateful >to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly >and >that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not >allowing >things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? > >Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when >I >bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches >or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power >crazy >local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail >miserably >to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, >mature, >plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? > >As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and >bear >witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of >that >time, well they do for me. >the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is >clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you >how >long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. > >I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee > >that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time >indeed - >that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and >villages >shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to >plant?a >?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move >in, >move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. >Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of >England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he >can >do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? > > >we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree >group, >the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any >protest >- so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps > >that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. > >Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting >with >the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things >are >ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the >council >- the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the >more >the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be >supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the >time >for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna >Gordon Clark >?????? Joanna > > > > >________________________________ >From: Ellie Stoneley >To: SOS Cambridge discussion list >Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk >Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 >Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > >this article also of interest >http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil >lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz >wrote: > >So topical! > > > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not >what we > >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an >article > >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's > >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted >in > >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by >Defra, > >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of > > >them. > > > > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of >44%, > >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As > >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve >where we > >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > > > >Lisa Buchholz > > > > > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > > > >This is a good read, including the comments: > >> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm > >> > >>John Lawton > >>SOS Chair > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>discuss mailing list > >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >discuss mailing list > >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > >-- >ellie stoneley >+44 (0) 7989 978763 >@e11ie5 on Twitter > >I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider >donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is >to >raise ?5,000 > >http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com >The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days >after I >came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in >April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, >being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the > >plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty >in >one of the poorest countries of the world. > >- >This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. >If >you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or >copy >this email. 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Survey >Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right >language to advocate the value of green spaces. > > > >The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for >park maintenance and improvement. > > > >Allan > > > > > > _____ > >From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 >Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces > > > >r.gif> > >Can't read this email? > Click here >to see text version > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > >Happiness index; good for green spaces >Green space must be added to happy list! > > >g> > > > > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > > > >rve.gif> > > > >Dear supporter > >As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall >happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional >wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, >freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list >goes on. > >GreenSpace's latest > editorial >commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge >access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of >indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and >onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use >or copy the editorial. > > Click to >view well-being proposals > > >We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online > survey >compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most >in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's >wellbeing. > >Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall >health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details >at >www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. > >Best wishes > >The team at GreenSpace > > > >mCurve.gif> > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > >CGreenSpace | info at green-space.org.uk > > >Unsubscribe | > Forward to >a friend > > >r.gif> > > >r.gif> > > > >r.gif> > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >s/20110103/a9116b8d/attachment.html> > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > >End of discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 >************************************** > > > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 4 18:01:28 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial.? Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at? www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace |? info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Utilities appear to have the right to do whatever they like but maybe that is something worth lobbying about nationally . But first step would be to see what was possible locally. Even if trees cannot be afforded at present provision should be made for them with any new road schemes, but policies need to have that built into them well before the schemes start or it is too late as highway engineers tend to see their job to improve highways and not to do environmental improvements. allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 04 January 2011 18:02 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 (Joanna Gordon Clark) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm at web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. 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Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. 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URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk End of discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 ************************************** From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 6 18:47:44 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:47:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <00a201cbabcc$54f82de0$fee889a0$@com> <732656.96659.qm@web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <379311.66362.qm@web29714.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Further to earlier discussion, think all people concerned about trees in Cambridge that can should pressure their local councillors to alter the policy on trees of the council (city, that is) so that the overall policy on trees is put up for 'consultation ' with the pubic before it is formalised, not just policy on separate areas.? so that we would have an input to the original policy and not be reacting to separate proposed actions of the council's.? With alexandra gardens, we had to react and so far it looks as tho we have had significant impact on the council's sadly badly informed decision-making.? But it all had to be brought together fast to stop the chopping down in last October of 100 yr old plane trees.? we are still fighting for their survival and for the council to accept that the trees are really and truly not the problem.? this means that a lot of good people had to put parts of their lives on hold to stop the disaster from happening, and?it is difficult to?consistently do that, as you really want to have a sensible tree policy in the first place.? I suggested to alan levy, one of our local councillors, that this be considered and he looked interested.? But it won't just happen.??Perhaps we need some kind of time frame at least within whcih the council commits to taking no action while consultation, proper consultation, takes place, and before that, even, a policy which would involve the major groups and individuals who want to do so in planning tree management and policy. That would then include things like planting trees along new highways.?? Just a thought. Joanna ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 18:01:28 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Allan Brigham To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban ??? trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan ? _____? From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial.? Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at? www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace |? info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 8 19:10:41 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:10:41 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <00c501cbac4a$70569170$5103b450$@com> References: <00c501cbac4a$70569170$5103b450$@com> Message-ID: YES it's true, they don't have to go through the Planning Procedures It was only through the Cambridge News that Jesus Green Militants found out the electricity people were about to site a massive station on the Green. Granted it has to go somewhere but hardly there, and they nearly got away with it. AG On 4 January 2011 20:03, Allan Brigham wrote: > It is something that all interested could take up with their county > councillors, who are the Highway Authorities. > > Utilities appear to have the right to do whatever they like but maybe that > is something worth lobbying about nationally . But first step would be to > see what was possible locally. Even if trees cannot be afforded at present > provision should be made for them with any new road schemes, but policies > need to have that built into them well before the schemes start or it is > too > late as highway engineers tend to see their job to improve highways and not > to do environmental improvements. > > allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk > [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: 04 January 2011 18:02 > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 > > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 (Joanna Gordon Clark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > Message-ID: <732656.96659.qm at web29711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ?? I mean that trees > should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in > fact > utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories,?as for > instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, > and > the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through > long > > established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that. > ?????? Joanna > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Allan Brigham > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: Tue, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > > Trees on streets > > Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially > when building new roads ? > > We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very > hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as > improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for > funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council > officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems > with existing? utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost > impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in > future policy documents ? > allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk > [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of > discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 > > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > ??? discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ??? discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > ? ? ? (Joanna Gordon Clark) > ? 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > Subject: [Discuss] Fw:? BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban > ??? trees" > Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > ?????? Joanna > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > > Please forgive typos am in a rush > > I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily > replaced > > objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being > there > or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut > down > and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather > like > Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 > emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague > assertion > of replacement. > > Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut > down > a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and > now, > as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too > free a > rein because of housing pressure, > all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me > to > the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of > wild > > things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so > on, > the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, > looks > at > any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? > especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more > alien > the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is > almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally > grateful > to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees > mostly > and > that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not > allowing > things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? > > Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when > I > bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches > or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power > crazy > local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail > miserably > to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, > mature, > plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? > > As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and > bear > witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of > that > time, well they do for me. > the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is > clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you > how > long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. > > I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a > guarantee > > that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time > indeed - > that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and > villages > shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to > plant?a > ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move > in, > move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. > Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of > England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he > can > do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? > > > we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree > group, > the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any > protest > - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful > perhaps > > that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. > > Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting > with > the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things > are > ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the > council > - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the > more > the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be > supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the > time > for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna > Gordon Clark > ?????? Joanna > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ellie Stoneley > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk > Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 > Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" > > this article also of interest > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil > lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd > > > > On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz > wrote: > > So topical! > > > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not > what we > >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an > article > >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's > >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be > planted > in > >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by > Defra, > >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot > of > > >them. > > > > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of > 44%, > >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As > >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve > where we > >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > > > >Lisa Buchholz > > > > > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton wrote: > > > >This is a good read, including the comments: > >> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm > >> > >>John Lawton > >>SOS Chair > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>discuss mailing list > >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >discuss mailing list > >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > > > > > > -- > ellie stoneley > +44 (0) 7989 978763 > @e11ie5 on Twitter > > I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider > donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target > is > to > raise ?5,000 > > http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com > The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days > after I > came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in > April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, > being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at > the > > plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme > poverty > in > one of the poorest countries of the world. > > - > This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. > If > you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or > copy > this email. 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Survey > Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right > language to advocate the value of green spaces. > > > > The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for > park maintenance and improvement. > > > > Allan > > > > > > ? _____? > > From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 > Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces > > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/space > r.gif> > > Can't read this email? > Click here > to see text version > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/space > r.gif> > > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/space > r.gif> > > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/space > r.gif> > > > Happiness index; good for green spaces > Green space must be added to happy list! > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/CmpImg/2010/25163/1026272_gsmainlogo.jp > g> > > > > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/space > r.gif> > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/space > r.gif> > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/space > r.gif> > > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/space > r.gif> > > > > > > < > http://i.green-space-updates.org.uk/cmpimg/TemplateImages/2008/single/topCu > rve.gif> > > > > Dear supporter > > As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall > happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional > wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, > freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list > goes on. > > GreenSpace's latest > > editorial > commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge > access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of > indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and > onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use > or copy the editorial.? > > Click > to > view well-being proposals > > > We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online > survey > compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters > most > in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's > wellbeing. > > Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their > overall > health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. 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URL: From ceo at cambridgeppf.org Mon Jan 10 16:19:26 2011 From: ceo at cambridgeppf.org (Carolin Gohler) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:19:26 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] Tress and cambridge - Planting Campaign Message-ID: <4D2B318E.8010107@cambridgeppf.org> Dear all, Just back from holiday and concur with Allan that in built up areas it sometimes is extremely difficult to plant new trees - underground utilities cause major problems and some local neighbours are not keen on trees. CambridgePPF is encouraging more tree planting and over its 80 year's of existence has contributed quite a lot to the city's green fabric. We have also responded to the Government's recent call to plant more trees - see our web site's home page: www.cambridgeppf.org Look for : * We have just *celebrated the planting 10,000 trees at our Coton Countryside Reserve *(recent 5 years) and hoping to plant more i.e. a further orchard of 100 trees is proposed in the next year and more woodland hedge etc planting in the following years * *Big Tree Plant Campaign- *we have made call for more tree planting made see our *press release* - http://www.cambridgeppf.org/documents/big_tree-plant.doc and *Cambridge News* e-print http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge/Trees-needed-to-restore-iconic-role.htm *Please let us have your views, ideas and support by end of this month.* Please contact *enquiries at cambridgeppf.org* Kind regards and happy New Year! Carolin G?hler *Carolin G?hler * ceo at cambridgeppf.org Tel - 01223-243830 x 203 Cambridge Past, Present & Future Wandlebury Ring, Gog Magog Hills, Babraham, Cambridge CB22 3AE Become a member and support us - please see our new website: www.cambridgeppf.org *Cambridge* *Past, Present & Future***(CambridgePPF) -- a charity working to keep Cambridge and its surroundings special by positively influencing planning developments, delivering environmental education and managing the Green spaces and historic buildings in its care -- for the benefit for all. Cambridge Past, Present & Future (formerly Cambridge Preservation Society) /Registered Charity No. 204121. Non-profit making company limited by guarantee, registered in England No. 239835./ Registered Office: Wandlebury Ring, Gog Magog Hills, Babraham, Cambridge CB22 3AE. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential (so far as is allowed by law) and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the CambridgePPF. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Allan Brigham *To:* discuss at soscambridge.org.uk *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 January, 2011 5:00:39 *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Trees on streets Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially when building new roads ? We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in future policy documents ? allan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:discuss-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk ] On Behalf Of discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: 03 January 2011 19:11 To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 Send discuss mailing list submissions to discuss at soscambridge.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to discuss-request at soscambridge.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at discuss-owner at soscambridge.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" (Joanna Gordon Clark) 2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Message-ID: <302754.51226.qm at web29713.mail.ird.yahoo.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ?????? Joanna ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Joanna Gordon Clark > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" Please forgive typos am in a rush I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement. Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure, all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.? especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.? Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear).? Trees can't move.? As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me. the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time.. I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant?a ?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.? we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol. Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: Ellie Stoneley > To: SOS Cambridge discussion list > Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32 Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees" this article also of interest http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz > wrote: So topical! > >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by Defra, >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of >them. > > >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust. > >Lisa Buchholz > > > >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton > wrote: > >This is a good read, including the comments: >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm >> >>John Lawton >>SOS Chair >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>discuss mailing list >>discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -- ellie stoneley +44 (0) 7989 978763 @e11ie5 on Twitter I am fundraising for the Kitchen Table Charities Trust - please do consider donating at http://www.justgiving.com/elliestoneley thank you - my target is to raise ?5,000 http://mymadagascarblog.wordpress.com The story of my Madagascar adventure - how a trip to the theatre 2 days after I came out of hospital in January 2010, led to being thwarted by a volcano in April and a trip to face giant, huge and enormous spiders, a police mutiny, being attacked by a leech, broken down trucks and crying with sadness at the plight of so many - and in doing so helping people living in extreme poverty in one of the poorest countries of the world. - This message is confidential and is intended only for the individual named. 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Survey Message-ID: <009101cbab79$eddbf940$c993ebc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right language to advocate the value of green spaces. The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for park maintenance and improvement. Allan _____ From: latest at green-space-updates.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:35 +0000 Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces Can't read this email? Click here to see text version Happiness index; good for green spaces Green space must be added to happy list! Dear supporter As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature, freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list goes on. GreenSpace's latest editorial commends the happiness index recently proposed by the government. We urge access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use or copy the editorial. Click to view well-being proposals We also suggest completing (and circulating) the short online survey compiled by the Office for National Statistics, which asks what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's wellbeing. Those who feel that local parks and green spaces contribute to their overall health, wellbeing and happiness must communicate this opinion. More details at www.ons.gov.uk/well-being. Best wishes The team at GreenSpace CGreenSpace | > info at green-space.org.uk Unsubscribe | Forward to a friend -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One can get to Elvaston in a day by public transport: go by train (or bus/train via Bedford) to Leicester, Loughborough or Derby then catch the 24 hour Skylink bus service. It's even possible for those with concessionary passes to get there for nothing on a Saturday, with 2 hours in the grounds, by changing at Bedford, Northampton and Leicester. Simon Norton From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 18 15:02:30 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:02:30 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] Derbyshire campaign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for this - and particularly for the transport links. On 18 January 2011 13:42, Simon Norton wrote: > May I suggest that members of this group lend their support to those of our > brothers and sisters who are trying to save the grounds of Elvaston Castle > near > Derby. To see the issues -- which include tree felling ! -- go to the > campaign > website at . > > One can get to Elvaston in a day by public transport: go by train (or > bus/train > via Bedford) to Leicester, Loughborough or Derby then catch the 24 hour > Skylink > bus service. It's even possible for those with concessionary passes to get > there > for nothing on a Saturday, with 2 hours in the grounds, by changing at > Bedford, > Northampton and Leicester. > > Simon Norton > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: