[Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1

Tue Jan 4 11:14:37 GMT 2011

At 05:00 04/01/2011, you wrote:

Trees on streets

Yes, should be made a high priority in this city and not only on new roads.

This is particularly important because we lost a lot [more that a 
1000! ] in the last few years due to the ceaseless zeal of the tree team.
We should work to persuade the council to incorporate the replacement 
of felled and planting of new trees as a high priority in their 
evaluation and reconsideration of their tree and green space policy.
They are now embarked on this and the more input there is from SOS 
and all local groups the better.
The Alexandra Gardens campaign is at a crucial stage and we should 
know this week where the council is heading.
The oak tree on MSC has also provided a good focus for reminding the 
council that misguided decisions should be reversed.
We should continue.

Bruria

>Trees on streets
>
>Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially
>when building new roads ?
>
>We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very
>hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as
>improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for
>funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council
>officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems
>with existing  utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost
>impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in
>future policy documents ?
>allan
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>    1. Fw:  BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees"
>       (Joanna Gordon Clark)
>    2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT)
>From: Joanna Gordon Clark <skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk>
>To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk
>Subject: [Discuss] Fw:  BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban
>         trees"
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>?????? Joanna
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>From: Joanna Gordon Clark <skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk>
>To: SOS Cambridge discussion list <discuss at soscambridge.org.uk>
>Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46
>Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees"
>
>
>Please forgive typos am in a rush
>
>I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced
>
>objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being
>there
>or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut
>down
>and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather
>like
>Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2
>emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague
>assertion
>of replacement.
>
>Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut
>down
>a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and
>now,
>as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too
>free a
>rein because of housing pressure,
>all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me
>to
>the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild
>
>things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so
>on,
>the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks
>at
>any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.?
>especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more
>alien
>the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is
>almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally
>grateful
>to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly
>and
>that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not
>allowing
>things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.?
>
>Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when
>I
>bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches
>or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power
>crazy
>local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail
>miserably
>to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300,
>mature,
>plum and pear).? Trees can't move.?
>
>As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and
>bear
>witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of
>that
>time, well they do for me.
>the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is
>clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you
>how
>long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time..
>
>I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee
>
>that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time
>indeed -
>that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and
>villages
>shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to
>plant?a
>?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move
>in,
>move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr.
>Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of
>England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he
>can
>do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.?
>
>
>we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree
>group,
>the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any
>protest
>- so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps
>
>that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol.
>
>Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting
>with
>the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things
>are
>ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the
>council
>- the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the
>more
>the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be
>supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the
>time
>for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna
>Gordon Clark
>?????? Joanna
>
>
>
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>________________________________
>From: Ellie Stoneley <elliestoneley at googlemail.com>
>To: SOS Cambridge discussion list <discuss at soscambridge.org.uk>
>Cc: announce at soscambridge.org.uk
>Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32
>Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees"
>
>this article also of interest
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil
>lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd
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>
>On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz <pale.aquamarine at googlemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>So topical!
> >
> >So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not
>what we
> >want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an
>article
> >(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's
> >Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted
>in
> >Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by
>Defra,
> >with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of
>
> >them.
> >
> >
> >"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of
>44%,
> >every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As
> >individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve
>where we
> >live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust.
> >
> >Lisa Buchholz
> >
> >
> >
> >On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton <john at lawton.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >This is a good read, including the comments:
> >>
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm
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> >>John Lawton
> >>SOS Chair
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>From: "Allan Brigham" <townnotgown at btinternet.com>
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>Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey
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>The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right
>language to advocate the value of green spaces.
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>The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for
>park maintenance and improvement.
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>Allan
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>Subject: Happiness index; good for green spaces
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>As we all know, green spaces have an immense impact on our overall
>happiness. Not only do they impact our health, fitness and emotional
>wellbeing, they also contribute to our communities, air quality, nature,
>freedom and our children's sense of adventure and independence - the list
>goes on.
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>access to high quality green space to be added to the happy list of
>indicators. In order to get the importance of green space recognised and
>onto the happy list we encourage our members and supporters to pass on, use
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