[Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1
Joanna Gordon Clark
skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Jan 4 18:01:28 GMT 2011
That's a good idea, is there some way to achieve that ? I mean that trees
should be givenv the same weight in policy documents as utilities, for in fact
utilities and trees often clash or come up in the same categories, as for
instance the use of under road space by utilites and tree roots at times, and
the way that installing utilities and cable tv can brutally cut through long
established tree roots, with all the consequences taht flow from that.
Joanna
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From: Allan Brigham <townnotgown at btinternet.com>
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Trees on streets
Maybe this needs establishing as a local government priority, especially
when building new roads ?
We ( East Mill Road Action Group, a residents group in Romsey) tried very
hard to get new trees planted in Cromwell Road at the same time as
improvements were made to cycling facilities. We argued the case for
funding, our county councillor put in much effort, as did city council
officers. However everywhere they tried to plant trees there were problems
with existing utilities. With the best will in the world it proved almost
impossible. Maybe trees should be given the same importance as utilities in
future policy documents ?
allan
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1. Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees"
(Joanna Gordon Clark)
2. Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey (Allan Brigham)
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Joanna Gordon Clark <skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk>
To: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk
Subject: [Discuss] Fw: BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban
trees"
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?????? Joanna
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Sent: Fri, 3 December, 2010 17:13:46
Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees"
Please forgive typos am in a rush
I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced
objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being
there
or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut
down
and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather
like
Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2
emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague
assertion
of replacement.
Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut
down
a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and
now,
as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too
free a
rein because of housing pressure,
all big trees it seems are under threat.? personally my experience tends me
to
the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild
things, and trees are of course wild, despite?all the horticulture and so
on,
the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks
at
any animal population that has had to be 'managed'.?
especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more
alien
the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness.??So my inclination is
almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas.? I am also eternally
grateful
to those big landowenrs? who have secured the long term life of trees mostly
and
that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not
allowing
things to be cut down.? It may not be democratic and so on, but it works.?
Trees - pace Tolkien?- can't move.? Their seed can but they can't.? So when
I
bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches
or?development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and?power
crazy
local council would allow traveller pitches?all round, and would fail
miserably
to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300,
mature,
plum and pear).? Trees can't move.?
As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our?ancestors and
bear
witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of
that
time, well they do for me.
the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words.? thqat is
clear.? Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you
how
long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time..
I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee
that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time
indeed -
that is unless they are intended as a crop.? I think all new towns and
villages
shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to
plant?a
?tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move
in,
move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr.
Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest?somewhere in the middle of
England, just becaue he can but also because?he loves trees.? Again tho he
can
do this perhaps because he can own the land,?and keep his forst safe.?
we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree
group,
the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any
protest
- so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps
that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol.
Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting
with
the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things
are
ok i believe that?the more publicity and letters and emails go into the
council
- the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the
more
the pressure and support will be on the council.??I think we have to be
supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the
time
for doing the wrong thing.? Matter of judgement of coure.? Must go.? Joanna
Gordon Clark
?????? Joanna
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Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32
Subject: Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees"
this article also of interest
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/mil
lion-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd
On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz <pale.aquamarine at googlemail.com>
wrote:
So topical!
>
>So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not
what we
>want??? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an
article
>(which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's
>Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted
in
>Britain's most deprived urban areas".? Funding is ? 9 m, administered by
Defra,
>with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of
>them.
>
>
>"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of
44%,
>every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As
>individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve
where we
>live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust.
>
>Lisa Buchholz
>
>
>
>On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton <john at lawton.me.uk> wrote:
>
>This is a good read, including the comments:
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm
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>>John Lawton
>>SOS Chair
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Subject: [Discuss] Parks and 'Happiness'. Survey
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The link to the Editorial may be useful for those looking for the right
language to advocate the value of green spaces.
The Survey may influence the government in its attitude towards funding for
park maintenance and improvement.
Allan
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