From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 11:57:47 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 11:57:47 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common Message-ID: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are showing most distress. Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk Wed May 4 14:18:21 2011 From: hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Heather Coleman) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:18:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she got the Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time at or near the river) involved and got it circulated round the college boat clubs. It's about time undergraduates realised it's a real town, not just a big university campus. Heather On Wed, 4 May 2011, John Lawton wrote: > We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: > > Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on > Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but > this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of > water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and > poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The > Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are > showing most distress. > > Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 14:24:38 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 14:24:38 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Thanks! I can't help thinking that some sort of pump and hose would be a good idea, but don't have one myself. John At 14:18 04/05/2011, you wrote: >Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she >got the Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time >at or near the river) involved and got it circulated round the >college boat clubs. It's about time undergraduates realised it's a >real town, not just a big university campus. Heather >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 18:37:37 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:37:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <242568.14093.qm@web29714.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Very good Idea but would take a bit of organising to get enough?people to set itworking. Dont' know where the new trees are, could you be more specific?? think we could if had a hose, run it form fort st george, only don't know how close that it to the trees.? Over by the lock there is a?water stand?for the boats, so that would be easy to use, tho don't know how many young trees are close enough to that standpipe. Buckets of river water would work especially if we orgarnised a chain of?people, passing the bucket, as it were, from?river to tree.? It takes quite a lot of water hlep one trees but if they are small, not quite so much.? However a bit dangerous to water onlly top soil, as in dry weather the tree roots will come up to the water inst4ead of down, and that is why agood soaking is generally recommended. Still no leaves on the biddle trees on maid's causeway.? H'm. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: John Lawton To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 14:24:38 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common Thanks! I can't help thinking that some sort of pump and hose would be a good idea, but don't have one myself. John At 14:18 04/05/2011, you wrote: > Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she got the >Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time at or near the >river) involved and got it circulated round the college boat clubs. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 20:15:20 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 20:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release Message-ID: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> From the JGA: The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which drove local people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other occasion in the future. Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. Jesus Green Association 4th May 2011 What is your experience of green spaces in the city? John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Thu May 5 15:42:01 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:42:01 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: What Police presence? On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > From the JGA: > > The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening > from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some > thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in > particular, which drove local > people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took > Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday > morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear > that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > > Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent > meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two > Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton > College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing > similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June > or on any other occasion in the future. > > Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of > Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and > available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any > one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives > families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly > condemned. > > Jesus Green Association > 4th May 2011 > > > What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Thu May 5 15:41:22 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:41:22 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is nothing less than authorized vandalism. There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of Cambridge pay dearly. The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for a Custodian with proper powers to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in the silly over polite way the Council now employ. The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will not improve on its own. The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police. I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people and they are not just students.. On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > From the JGA: > > The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening > from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some > thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in > particular, which drove local > people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took > Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday > morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear > that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > > Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent > meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two > Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton > College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing > similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June > or on any other occasion in the future. > > Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of > Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and > available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any > one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives > families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly > condemned. > > Jesus Green Association > 4th May 2011 > > > What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.davies at dsl.pipex.com Wed May 4 16:21:54 2011 From: tom.davies at dsl.pipex.com (Tom Davies) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:21:54 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <001101cc0a6f$00a67ba0$01f372e0$@davies@dsl.pipex.com> Happy to help, but may I suggest some sort of rota is needed? One tree may get all the water! -----Original Message----- From: announce-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:announce-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of John Lawton Sent: 04 May 2011 11:58 To: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Cc: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Announce] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are showing most distress. Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ announce mailing list announce at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 19 17:55:17 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:55:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Have some difficulty getting the original documetn on this, the attachment in fact, but can perhaps comment on what is givenbelow. Yes i have seen very large crowds of young people on the Green, on the grass, by and large, and noticed the fires and wondered about them.?I don't think it happened very often, tho i cannot be sure of that. I did not know that the hut - does that mean the loos? - was to be pulled?down. Or does it mean the refreshments place.? In eitehr case that would be a very bad idea. as for the youth and fires, once in a while won't hurt but if it is really leaving permanent marks on the grass, then it needs to be stopped or restrained.? the?flower bed?near the bridge has an open stone centre adn that would be a decent place to?light fires, unless the stones are fragile I think the opporutnity to have a fire in the evening, in the open, when young, is a good thing, but there needs to be restraint over its consequences.? iwas a bti put off at first when I?saw so many peopel on there, but I only saw it once.As a regular thing, then probably not. Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: GARVEY ANNE To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:41:22 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is nothing less than authorized vandalism. There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of Cambridge pay dearly. The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for a Custodian with proper powers ?to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in the silly over polite way the Council now employ. The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will not improve on its own. The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police.? I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people and they are not just students.. On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: From the JGA: > >The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its >Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young >people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which >drove local >people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council >staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring >a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police >presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > >Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) >and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is >permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other >occasion in the future. > >Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's >finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed >by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such >unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users >away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. > >Jesus Green Association >4th May 2011 > > >What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > >John Lawton >SOS Chair > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Save Our green Spaces >http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >--------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 19 17:59:21 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:59:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <477592.60560.qm@web29708.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Ok this answers some of my questions, should have read it first.? if people come on to the green however they intend to use it, then they must take all their litter with them.? that's the first rule of decent behaviour. As for green spaces generally, I see them as our parks and forests, places where people can go, whoever they are, and be in nature.? if they do nasty things, then they must be told off and?if necessary fined or whatever. I have on occasions hesitated when I have seen a large cirlc of obvious drinkers on Christs |Pieces, near the Diana Memorial, but those peopel have very?few places to go, and provided they do no harm then I jsut remind myself that they are?deluded?people with big problems and if I am polite to them there will be no trouble.? And I havent seen many there recently, so I hope they haven't been roped up in a ghetto somewhere.? it is a difficult balacne, that's all I have to say ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: GARVEY ANNE To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:42:01 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release What Police presence? On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: From the JGA: > >The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its >Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young >people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which >drove local >people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council >staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring >a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police >presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > >Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) >and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is >permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other >occasion in the future. > >Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's >finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed >by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such >unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users >away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. > >Jesus Green Association >4th May 2011 > > >What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > >John Lawton >SOS Chair > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Save Our green Spaces >http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >--------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Fri May 20 19:15:21 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:15:21 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HOnestly Joanna, in the warm weather it's every night and just have a walk round the once springy green turf all damaged and discoloured. It's a park frankly isn't it, it's not the Great Outdoors where yes, I agree it's lovely to have an open fire but these are lawns, cut by expensive machines to keep them lovely, not the outback, the bush, the scrub or the woodland. It's only a small space and so much is being destroyed. I think the litter problem is dire. I can't understand the policy of picking up after people, like fairies, getting them to sustainably take their litter home with them is the only way forward . And to do that you do need some monitoring, some fines, some enforcement and some action. The little square hut in a rather shady place, they are going to destroy as if we don't need some kind of warden as we always have there Yours Anne On 19 May 2011 17:55, Joanna Gordon Clark wrote: > Have some difficulty getting the original documetn on this, the attachment > in fact, but can perhaps comment on what is givenbelow. > Yes i have seen very large crowds of young people on the Green, on the > grass, by and large, and noticed the fires and wondered about them. I don't > think it happened very often, tho i cannot be sure of that. > > I did not know that the hut - does that mean the loos? - was to be > pulled down. Or does it mean the refreshments place. In eitehr case that > would be a very bad idea. > > as for the youth and fires, once in a while won't hurt but if it is really > leaving permanent marks on the grass, then it needs to be stopped or > restrained. the flower bed near the bridge has an open stone centre adn > that would be a decent place to light fires, unless the stones are fragile > > I think the opporutnity to have a fire in the evening, in the open, when > young, is a good thing, but there needs to be restraint over its > consequences. iwas a bti put off at first when I saw so many peopel on > there, but I only saw it once.As a regular thing, then probably not. Joanna > Gordon Clark > > Joanna > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* GARVEY ANNE > *To:* SOS Cambridge discussion list > *Sent:* Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:41:22 > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release > > The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus > Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no > supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf > and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. > > There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on > the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in > their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is > nothing less than authorized vandalism. > > There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police > absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass > and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of > Cambridge pay dearly. > > The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for > a Custodian with proper powers to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council > tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people > be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not > happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow > these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in > the silly over polite way the Council now employ. > > The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be > an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have > volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the > kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will > not improve on its own. > > The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the > Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police. > > I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The > ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year > cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has > not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned > in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. > This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people > and they are not just students.. > > On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > >> From the JGA: >> >> The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening >> from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some >> thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in >> particular, which drove local >> people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took >> Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday >> morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear >> that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. >> >> Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >> meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >> Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton >> College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing >> similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June >> or on any other occasion in the future. >> >> Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of >> Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and >> available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any >> one time. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 11:57:47 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 11:57:47 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common Message-ID: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are showing most distress. Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk Wed May 4 14:18:21 2011 From: hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Heather Coleman) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:18:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she got the Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time at or near the river) involved and got it circulated round the college boat clubs. It's about time undergraduates realised it's a real town, not just a big university campus. Heather On Wed, 4 May 2011, John Lawton wrote: > We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: > > Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on > Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but > this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of > water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and > poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The > Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are > showing most distress. > > Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 14:24:38 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 14:24:38 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Thanks! I can't help thinking that some sort of pump and hose would be a good idea, but don't have one myself. John At 14:18 04/05/2011, you wrote: >Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she >got the Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time >at or near the river) involved and got it circulated round the >college boat clubs. It's about time undergraduates realised it's a >real town, not just a big university campus. Heather >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 18:37:37 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:37:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <242568.14093.qm@web29714.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Very good Idea but would take a bit of organising to get enough?people to set itworking. Dont' know where the new trees are, could you be more specific?? think we could if had a hose, run it form fort st george, only don't know how close that it to the trees.? Over by the lock there is a?water stand?for the boats, so that would be easy to use, tho don't know how many young trees are close enough to that standpipe. Buckets of river water would work especially if we orgarnised a chain of?people, passing the bucket, as it were, from?river to tree.? It takes quite a lot of water hlep one trees but if they are small, not quite so much.? However a bit dangerous to water onlly top soil, as in dry weather the tree roots will come up to the water inst4ead of down, and that is why agood soaking is generally recommended. Still no leaves on the biddle trees on maid's causeway.? H'm. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: John Lawton To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 14:24:38 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common Thanks! I can't help thinking that some sort of pump and hose would be a good idea, but don't have one myself. John At 14:18 04/05/2011, you wrote: > Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she got the >Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time at or near the >river) involved and got it circulated round the college boat clubs. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 20:15:20 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 20:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release Message-ID: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> From the JGA: The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which drove local people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other occasion in the future. Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. Jesus Green Association 4th May 2011 What is your experience of green spaces in the city? John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Thu May 5 15:42:01 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:42:01 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: What Police presence? On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > From the JGA: > > The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening > from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some > thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in > particular, which drove local > people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took > Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday > morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear > that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > > Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent > meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two > Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton > College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing > similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June > or on any other occasion in the future. > > Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of > Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and > available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any > one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives > families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly > condemned. > > Jesus Green Association > 4th May 2011 > > > What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Thu May 5 15:41:22 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:41:22 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is nothing less than authorized vandalism. There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of Cambridge pay dearly. The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for a Custodian with proper powers to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in the silly over polite way the Council now employ. The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will not improve on its own. The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police. I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people and they are not just students.. On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > From the JGA: > > The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening > from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some > thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in > particular, which drove local > people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took > Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday > morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear > that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > > Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent > meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two > Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton > College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing > similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June > or on any other occasion in the future. > > Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of > Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and > available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any > one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives > families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly > condemned. > > Jesus Green Association > 4th May 2011 > > > What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.davies at dsl.pipex.com Wed May 4 16:21:54 2011 From: tom.davies at dsl.pipex.com (Tom Davies) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:21:54 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <001101cc0a6f$00a67ba0$01f372e0$@davies@dsl.pipex.com> Happy to help, but may I suggest some sort of rota is needed? One tree may get all the water! -----Original Message----- From: announce-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:announce-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of John Lawton Sent: 04 May 2011 11:58 To: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Cc: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Announce] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are showing most distress. Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ announce mailing list announce at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 19 17:55:17 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:55:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Have some difficulty getting the original documetn on this, the attachment in fact, but can perhaps comment on what is givenbelow. Yes i have seen very large crowds of young people on the Green, on the grass, by and large, and noticed the fires and wondered about them.?I don't think it happened very often, tho i cannot be sure of that. I did not know that the hut - does that mean the loos? - was to be pulled?down. Or does it mean the refreshments place.? In eitehr case that would be a very bad idea. as for the youth and fires, once in a while won't hurt but if it is really leaving permanent marks on the grass, then it needs to be stopped or restrained.? the?flower bed?near the bridge has an open stone centre adn that would be a decent place to?light fires, unless the stones are fragile I think the opporutnity to have a fire in the evening, in the open, when young, is a good thing, but there needs to be restraint over its consequences.? iwas a bti put off at first when I?saw so many peopel on there, but I only saw it once.As a regular thing, then probably not. Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: GARVEY ANNE To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:41:22 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is nothing less than authorized vandalism. There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of Cambridge pay dearly. The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for a Custodian with proper powers ?to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in the silly over polite way the Council now employ. The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will not improve on its own. The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police.? I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people and they are not just students.. On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: From the JGA: > >The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its >Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young >people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which >drove local >people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council >staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring >a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police >presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > >Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) >and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is >permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other >occasion in the future. > >Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's >finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed >by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such >unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users >away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. > >Jesus Green Association >4th May 2011 > > >What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > >John Lawton >SOS Chair > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Save Our green Spaces >http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >--------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 19 17:59:21 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:59:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <477592.60560.qm@web29708.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Ok this answers some of my questions, should have read it first.? if people come on to the green however they intend to use it, then they must take all their litter with them.? that's the first rule of decent behaviour. As for green spaces generally, I see them as our parks and forests, places where people can go, whoever they are, and be in nature.? if they do nasty things, then they must be told off and?if necessary fined or whatever. I have on occasions hesitated when I have seen a large cirlc of obvious drinkers on Christs |Pieces, near the Diana Memorial, but those peopel have very?few places to go, and provided they do no harm then I jsut remind myself that they are?deluded?people with big problems and if I am polite to them there will be no trouble.? And I havent seen many there recently, so I hope they haven't been roped up in a ghetto somewhere.? it is a difficult balacne, that's all I have to say ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: GARVEY ANNE To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:42:01 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release What Police presence? On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: From the JGA: > >The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its >Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young >people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which >drove local >people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council >staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring >a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police >presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > >Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) >and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is >permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other >occasion in the future. > >Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's >finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed >by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such >unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users >away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. > >Jesus Green Association >4th May 2011 > > >What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > >John Lawton >SOS Chair > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Save Our green Spaces >http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >--------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Fri May 20 19:15:21 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:15:21 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HOnestly Joanna, in the warm weather it's every night and just have a walk round the once springy green turf all damaged and discoloured. It's a park frankly isn't it, it's not the Great Outdoors where yes, I agree it's lovely to have an open fire but these are lawns, cut by expensive machines to keep them lovely, not the outback, the bush, the scrub or the woodland. It's only a small space and so much is being destroyed. I think the litter problem is dire. I can't understand the policy of picking up after people, like fairies, getting them to sustainably take their litter home with them is the only way forward . And to do that you do need some monitoring, some fines, some enforcement and some action. The little square hut in a rather shady place, they are going to destroy as if we don't need some kind of warden as we always have there Yours Anne On 19 May 2011 17:55, Joanna Gordon Clark wrote: > Have some difficulty getting the original documetn on this, the attachment > in fact, but can perhaps comment on what is givenbelow. > Yes i have seen very large crowds of young people on the Green, on the > grass, by and large, and noticed the fires and wondered about them. I don't > think it happened very often, tho i cannot be sure of that. > > I did not know that the hut - does that mean the loos? - was to be > pulled down. Or does it mean the refreshments place. In eitehr case that > would be a very bad idea. > > as for the youth and fires, once in a while won't hurt but if it is really > leaving permanent marks on the grass, then it needs to be stopped or > restrained. the flower bed near the bridge has an open stone centre adn > that would be a decent place to light fires, unless the stones are fragile > > I think the opporutnity to have a fire in the evening, in the open, when > young, is a good thing, but there needs to be restraint over its > consequences. iwas a bti put off at first when I saw so many peopel on > there, but I only saw it once.As a regular thing, then probably not. Joanna > Gordon Clark > > Joanna > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* GARVEY ANNE > *To:* SOS Cambridge discussion list > *Sent:* Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:41:22 > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release > > The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus > Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no > supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf > and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. > > There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on > the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in > their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is > nothing less than authorized vandalism. > > There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police > absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass > and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of > Cambridge pay dearly. > > The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for > a Custodian with proper powers to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council > tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people > be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not > happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow > these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in > the silly over polite way the Council now employ. > > The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be > an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have > volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the > kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will > not improve on its own. > > The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the > Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police. > > I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The > ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year > cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has > not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned > in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. > This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people > and they are not just students.. > > On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > >> From the JGA: >> >> The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening >> from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some >> thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in >> particular, which drove local >> people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took >> Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday >> morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear >> that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. >> >> Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >> meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >> Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton >> College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing >> similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June >> or on any other occasion in the future. >> >> Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of >> Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and >> available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any >> one time. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 11:57:47 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 11:57:47 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common Message-ID: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are showing most distress. Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk Wed May 4 14:18:21 2011 From: hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Heather Coleman) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:18:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she got the Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time at or near the river) involved and got it circulated round the college boat clubs. It's about time undergraduates realised it's a real town, not just a big university campus. Heather On Wed, 4 May 2011, John Lawton wrote: > We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: > > Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on > Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but > this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of > water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and > poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The > Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are > showing most distress. > > Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 14:24:38 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 14:24:38 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Thanks! I can't help thinking that some sort of pump and hose would be a good idea, but don't have one myself. John At 14:18 04/05/2011, you wrote: >Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she >got the Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time >at or near the river) involved and got it circulated round the >college boat clubs. It's about time undergraduates realised it's a >real town, not just a big university campus. Heather >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 18:37:37 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:37:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <242568.14093.qm@web29714.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Very good Idea but would take a bit of organising to get enough?people to set itworking. Dont' know where the new trees are, could you be more specific?? think we could if had a hose, run it form fort st george, only don't know how close that it to the trees.? Over by the lock there is a?water stand?for the boats, so that would be easy to use, tho don't know how many young trees are close enough to that standpipe. Buckets of river water would work especially if we orgarnised a chain of?people, passing the bucket, as it were, from?river to tree.? It takes quite a lot of water hlep one trees but if they are small, not quite so much.? However a bit dangerous to water onlly top soil, as in dry weather the tree roots will come up to the water inst4ead of down, and that is why agood soaking is generally recommended. Still no leaves on the biddle trees on maid's causeway.? H'm. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: John Lawton To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 14:24:38 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common Thanks! I can't help thinking that some sort of pump and hose would be a good idea, but don't have one myself. John At 14:18 04/05/2011, you wrote: > Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she got the >Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time at or near the >river) involved and got it circulated round the college boat clubs. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 20:15:20 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 20:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release Message-ID: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> From the JGA: The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which drove local people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other occasion in the future. Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. Jesus Green Association 4th May 2011 What is your experience of green spaces in the city? John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Thu May 5 15:42:01 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:42:01 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: What Police presence? On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > From the JGA: > > The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening > from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some > thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in > particular, which drove local > people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took > Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday > morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear > that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > > Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent > meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two > Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton > College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing > similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June > or on any other occasion in the future. > > Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of > Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and > available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any > one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives > families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly > condemned. > > Jesus Green Association > 4th May 2011 > > > What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Thu May 5 15:41:22 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:41:22 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is nothing less than authorized vandalism. There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of Cambridge pay dearly. The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for a Custodian with proper powers to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in the silly over polite way the Council now employ. The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will not improve on its own. The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police. I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people and they are not just students.. On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > From the JGA: > > The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening > from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some > thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in > particular, which drove local > people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took > Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday > morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear > that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > > Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent > meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two > Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton > College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing > similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June > or on any other occasion in the future. > > Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of > Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and > available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any > one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives > families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly > condemned. > > Jesus Green Association > 4th May 2011 > > > What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.davies at dsl.pipex.com Wed May 4 16:21:54 2011 From: tom.davies at dsl.pipex.com (Tom Davies) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:21:54 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <001101cc0a6f$00a67ba0$01f372e0$@davies@dsl.pipex.com> Happy to help, but may I suggest some sort of rota is needed? One tree may get all the water! -----Original Message----- From: announce-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:announce-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of John Lawton Sent: 04 May 2011 11:58 To: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Cc: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Announce] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are showing most distress. Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ announce mailing list announce at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 19 17:55:17 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:55:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Have some difficulty getting the original documetn on this, the attachment in fact, but can perhaps comment on what is givenbelow. Yes i have seen very large crowds of young people on the Green, on the grass, by and large, and noticed the fires and wondered about them.?I don't think it happened very often, tho i cannot be sure of that. I did not know that the hut - does that mean the loos? - was to be pulled?down. Or does it mean the refreshments place.? In eitehr case that would be a very bad idea. as for the youth and fires, once in a while won't hurt but if it is really leaving permanent marks on the grass, then it needs to be stopped or restrained.? the?flower bed?near the bridge has an open stone centre adn that would be a decent place to?light fires, unless the stones are fragile I think the opporutnity to have a fire in the evening, in the open, when young, is a good thing, but there needs to be restraint over its consequences.? iwas a bti put off at first when I?saw so many peopel on there, but I only saw it once.As a regular thing, then probably not. Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: GARVEY ANNE To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:41:22 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is nothing less than authorized vandalism. There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of Cambridge pay dearly. The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for a Custodian with proper powers ?to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in the silly over polite way the Council now employ. The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will not improve on its own. The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police.? I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people and they are not just students.. On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: From the JGA: > >The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its >Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young >people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which >drove local >people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council >staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring >a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police >presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > >Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) >and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is >permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other >occasion in the future. > >Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's >finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed >by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such >unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users >away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. > >Jesus Green Association >4th May 2011 > > >What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > >John Lawton >SOS Chair > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Save Our green Spaces >http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >--------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 19 17:59:21 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:59:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <477592.60560.qm@web29708.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Ok this answers some of my questions, should have read it first.? if people come on to the green however they intend to use it, then they must take all their litter with them.? that's the first rule of decent behaviour. As for green spaces generally, I see them as our parks and forests, places where people can go, whoever they are, and be in nature.? if they do nasty things, then they must be told off and?if necessary fined or whatever. I have on occasions hesitated when I have seen a large cirlc of obvious drinkers on Christs |Pieces, near the Diana Memorial, but those peopel have very?few places to go, and provided they do no harm then I jsut remind myself that they are?deluded?people with big problems and if I am polite to them there will be no trouble.? And I havent seen many there recently, so I hope they haven't been roped up in a ghetto somewhere.? it is a difficult balacne, that's all I have to say ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: GARVEY ANNE To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:42:01 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release What Police presence? On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: From the JGA: > >The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its >Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young >people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which >drove local >people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council >staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring >a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police >presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > >Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) >and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is >permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other >occasion in the future. > >Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's >finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed >by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such >unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users >away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. > >Jesus Green Association >4th May 2011 > > >What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > >John Lawton >SOS Chair > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Save Our green Spaces >http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >--------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Fri May 20 19:15:21 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:15:21 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HOnestly Joanna, in the warm weather it's every night and just have a walk round the once springy green turf all damaged and discoloured. It's a park frankly isn't it, it's not the Great Outdoors where yes, I agree it's lovely to have an open fire but these are lawns, cut by expensive machines to keep them lovely, not the outback, the bush, the scrub or the woodland. It's only a small space and so much is being destroyed. I think the litter problem is dire. I can't understand the policy of picking up after people, like fairies, getting them to sustainably take their litter home with them is the only way forward . And to do that you do need some monitoring, some fines, some enforcement and some action. The little square hut in a rather shady place, they are going to destroy as if we don't need some kind of warden as we always have there Yours Anne On 19 May 2011 17:55, Joanna Gordon Clark wrote: > Have some difficulty getting the original documetn on this, the attachment > in fact, but can perhaps comment on what is givenbelow. > Yes i have seen very large crowds of young people on the Green, on the > grass, by and large, and noticed the fires and wondered about them. I don't > think it happened very often, tho i cannot be sure of that. > > I did not know that the hut - does that mean the loos? - was to be > pulled down. Or does it mean the refreshments place. In eitehr case that > would be a very bad idea. > > as for the youth and fires, once in a while won't hurt but if it is really > leaving permanent marks on the grass, then it needs to be stopped or > restrained. the flower bed near the bridge has an open stone centre adn > that would be a decent place to light fires, unless the stones are fragile > > I think the opporutnity to have a fire in the evening, in the open, when > young, is a good thing, but there needs to be restraint over its > consequences. iwas a bti put off at first when I saw so many peopel on > there, but I only saw it once.As a regular thing, then probably not. Joanna > Gordon Clark > > Joanna > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* GARVEY ANNE > *To:* SOS Cambridge discussion list > *Sent:* Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:41:22 > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release > > The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus > Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no > supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf > and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. > > There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on > the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in > their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is > nothing less than authorized vandalism. > > There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police > absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass > and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of > Cambridge pay dearly. > > The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for > a Custodian with proper powers to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council > tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people > be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not > happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow > these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in > the silly over polite way the Council now employ. > > The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be > an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have > volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the > kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will > not improve on its own. > > The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the > Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police. > > I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The > ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year > cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has > not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned > in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. > This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people > and they are not just students.. > > On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > >> From the JGA: >> >> The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening >> from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some >> thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in >> particular, which drove local >> people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took >> Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday >> morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear >> that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. >> >> Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >> meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >> Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton >> College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing >> similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June >> or on any other occasion in the future. >> >> Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of >> Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and >> available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any >> one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives >> families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly >> condemned. >> >> Jesus Green Association >> 4th May 2011 >> >> >> What is your experience of green spaces in the city? >> >> John Lawton >> SOS Chair >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Save Our green Spaces >> http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list >> discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 11:57:47 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 11:57:47 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common Message-ID: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are showing most distress. Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk Wed May 4 14:18:21 2011 From: hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Heather Coleman) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:18:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she got the Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time at or near the river) involved and got it circulated round the college boat clubs. It's about time undergraduates realised it's a real town, not just a big university campus. Heather On Wed, 4 May 2011, John Lawton wrote: > We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: > > Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on > Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but > this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of > water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and > poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The > Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are > showing most distress. > > Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 14:24:38 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 14:24:38 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Thanks! I can't help thinking that some sort of pump and hose would be a good idea, but don't have one myself. John At 14:18 04/05/2011, you wrote: >Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she >got the Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time >at or near the river) involved and got it circulated round the >college boat clubs. It's about time undergraduates realised it's a >real town, not just a big university campus. Heather >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 18:37:37 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:37:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> <20110504132441.LIFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <242568.14093.qm@web29714.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Very good Idea but would take a bit of organising to get enough?people to set itworking. Dont' know where the new trees are, could you be more specific?? think we could if had a hose, run it form fort st george, only don't know how close that it to the trees.? Over by the lock there is a?water stand?for the boats, so that would be easy to use, tho don't know how many young trees are close enough to that standpipe. Buckets of river water would work especially if we orgarnised a chain of?people, passing the bucket, as it were, from?river to tree.? It takes quite a lot of water hlep one trees but if they are small, not quite so much.? However a bit dangerous to water onlly top soil, as in dry weather the tree roots will come up to the water inst4ead of down, and that is why agood soaking is generally recommended. Still no leaves on the biddle trees on maid's causeway.? H'm. ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: John Lawton To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 14:24:38 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common Thanks! I can't help thinking that some sort of pump and hose would be a good idea, but don't have one myself. John At 14:18 04/05/2011, you wrote: > Well I've forwarded that to a college rower friend - suggested she got the >Boaties (who seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time at or near the >river) involved and got it circulated round the college boat clubs. 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URL: From chair at soscambridge.org.uk Wed May 4 20:15:20 2011 From: chair at soscambridge.org.uk (John Lawton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 20:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release Message-ID: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> From the JGA: The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which drove local people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other occasion in the future. Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. Jesus Green Association 4th May 2011 What is your experience of green spaces in the city? John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Thu May 5 15:42:01 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:42:01 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: What Police presence? On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > From the JGA: > > The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening > from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some > thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in > particular, which drove local > people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took > Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday > morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear > that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > > Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent > meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two > Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton > College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing > similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June > or on any other occasion in the future. > > Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of > Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and > available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any > one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives > families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly > condemned. > > Jesus Green Association > 4th May 2011 > > > What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Thu May 5 15:41:22 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:41:22 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is nothing less than authorized vandalism. There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of Cambridge pay dearly. The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for a Custodian with proper powers to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in the silly over polite way the Council now employ. The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will not improve on its own. The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police. I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people and they are not just students.. On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > From the JGA: > > The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening > from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some > thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in > particular, which drove local > people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took > Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday > morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear > that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > > Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent > meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two > Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton > College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing > similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June > or on any other occasion in the future. > > Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of > Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and > available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any > one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives > families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly > condemned. > > Jesus Green Association > 4th May 2011 > > > What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > > John Lawton > SOS Chair > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Save Our green Spaces > http://www.soscambridge.org.uk > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.davies at dsl.pipex.com Wed May 4 16:21:54 2011 From: tom.davies at dsl.pipex.com (Tom Davies) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:21:54 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common In-Reply-To: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> References: <20110504105750.UDHT5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <001101cc0a6f$00a67ba0$01f372e0$@davies@dsl.pipex.com> Happy to help, but may I suggest some sort of rota is needed? One tree may get all the water! -----Original Message----- From: announce-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk [mailto:announce-bounces at soscambridge.org.uk] On Behalf Of John Lawton Sent: 04 May 2011 11:58 To: announce at soscambridge.org.uk Cc: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Subject: [Announce] Wilting trees on Midsummer Common We've just received this from Dick Baxter of Friends of Midsummer Common: Lack of rain is causing stess to most of the 50 new trees planted on Midsummer Common. The Council is trying to get emergency waterings but this is not proving easy. If any of you are free to take buckets of water from the river and pour them over the roots of the new willows and poplars along the riverside it cannot but help keep them alive. The Council can then divert their attention to the inland limes which are showing most distress. Your help would be appreciated (especially by the trees!). John Lawton SOS Chair --------------------------------------------------------- Save Our green Spaces http://www.soscambridge.org.uk --------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ announce mailing list announce at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_soscambridge.org.uk From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 19 17:55:17 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:55:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Have some difficulty getting the original documetn on this, the attachment in fact, but can perhaps comment on what is givenbelow. Yes i have seen very large crowds of young people on the Green, on the grass, by and large, and noticed the fires and wondered about them.?I don't think it happened very often, tho i cannot be sure of that. I did not know that the hut - does that mean the loos? - was to be pulled?down. Or does it mean the refreshments place.? In eitehr case that would be a very bad idea. as for the youth and fires, once in a while won't hurt but if it is really leaving permanent marks on the grass, then it needs to be stopped or restrained.? the?flower bed?near the bridge has an open stone centre adn that would be a decent place to?light fires, unless the stones are fragile I think the opporutnity to have a fire in the evening, in the open, when young, is a good thing, but there needs to be restraint over its consequences.? iwas a bti put off at first when I?saw so many peopel on there, but I only saw it once.As a regular thing, then probably not. Joanna Gordon Clark ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: GARVEY ANNE To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:41:22 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is nothing less than authorized vandalism. There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of Cambridge pay dearly. The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for a Custodian with proper powers ?to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in the silly over polite way the Council now employ. The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will not improve on its own. The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police.? I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people and they are not just students.. On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: From the JGA: > >The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its >Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young >people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which >drove local >people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council >staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring >a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police >presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > >Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) >and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is >permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other >occasion in the future. > >Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's >finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed >by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such >unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users >away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. > >Jesus Green Association >4th May 2011 > > >What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > >John Lawton >SOS Chair > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Save Our green Spaces >http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >--------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 19 17:59:21 2011 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:59:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> Message-ID: <477592.60560.qm@web29708.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Ok this answers some of my questions, should have read it first.? if people come on to the green however they intend to use it, then they must take all their litter with them.? that's the first rule of decent behaviour. As for green spaces generally, I see them as our parks and forests, places where people can go, whoever they are, and be in nature.? if they do nasty things, then they must be told off and?if necessary fined or whatever. I have on occasions hesitated when I have seen a large cirlc of obvious drinkers on Christs |Pieces, near the Diana Memorial, but those peopel have very?few places to go, and provided they do no harm then I jsut remind myself that they are?deluded?people with big problems and if I am polite to them there will be no trouble.? And I havent seen many there recently, so I hope they haven't been roped up in a ghetto somewhere.? it is a difficult balacne, that's all I have to say ?????? Joanna ________________________________ From: GARVEY ANNE To: SOS Cambridge discussion list Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:42:01 Subject: Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release What Police presence? On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: From the JGA: > >The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening from its >Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some thousand young >people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in particular, which >drove local >people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took Council >staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday morning, requiring >a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear that the police >presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. > >Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton College) >and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing similar is >permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June or on any other >occasion in the future. > >Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of Cambridge's >finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and available to be enjoyed >by a wide range of users in an informal way at any one time. Any such >unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives families and other users >away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly condemned. > >Jesus Green Association >4th May 2011 > > >What is your experience of green spaces in the city? > >John Lawton >SOS Chair > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Save Our green Spaces >http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >--------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >discuss mailing list >discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemgarvey at ntlworld.com Fri May 20 19:15:21 2011 From: annemgarvey at ntlworld.com (GARVEY ANNE) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:15:21 +0100 Subject: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release In-Reply-To: <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20110504191522.PDNH20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Onyx-PC.soscambridge.org.uk> <404065.4338.qm@web29719.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HOnestly Joanna, in the warm weather it's every night and just have a walk round the once springy green turf all damaged and discoloured. It's a park frankly isn't it, it's not the Great Outdoors where yes, I agree it's lovely to have an open fire but these are lawns, cut by expensive machines to keep them lovely, not the outback, the bush, the scrub or the woodland. It's only a small space and so much is being destroyed. I think the litter problem is dire. I can't understand the policy of picking up after people, like fairies, getting them to sustainably take their litter home with them is the only way forward . And to do that you do need some monitoring, some fines, some enforcement and some action. The little square hut in a rather shady place, they are going to destroy as if we don't need some kind of warden as we always have there Yours Anne On 19 May 2011 17:55, Joanna Gordon Clark wrote: > Have some difficulty getting the original documetn on this, the attachment > in fact, but can perhaps comment on what is givenbelow. > Yes i have seen very large crowds of young people on the Green, on the > grass, by and large, and noticed the fires and wondered about them. I don't > think it happened very often, tho i cannot be sure of that. > > I did not know that the hut - does that mean the loos? - was to be > pulled down. Or does it mean the refreshments place. In eitehr case that > would be a very bad idea. > > as for the youth and fires, once in a while won't hurt but if it is really > leaving permanent marks on the grass, then it needs to be stopped or > restrained. the flower bed near the bridge has an open stone centre adn > that would be a decent place to light fires, unless the stones are fragile > > I think the opporutnity to have a fire in the evening, in the open, when > young, is a good thing, but there needs to be restraint over its > consequences. iwas a bti put off at first when I saw so many peopel on > there, but I only saw it once.As a regular thing, then probably not. Joanna > Gordon Clark > > Joanna > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* GARVEY ANNE > *To:* SOS Cambridge discussion list > *Sent:* Thu, 5 May, 2011 15:41:22 > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] Jesus Green Association press release > > The Green Spaces are appallingly mismanaged and criminally neglected. Jesus > Green in particular suffers from a dire laissez faire policy with no > supervision of under age drinkers, drug taking, and the burning of the turf > and despoilation of the area by literally tonnes of litter. > > There is no enforcement of any of of the laws pertaining to behaviour on > the Greens, and I think the Council stand accused of utterly failing in > their duty to act as custodians of these places. What is happening is > nothing less than authorized vandalism. > > There are fines for littering available to the Council. the Police > absolutely refuse to act when asked to attend young people burning the grass > and scawling graffitti. It is a Liberty Hall for which the people of > Cambridge pay dearly. > > The Council should NOT pull down the building on Jesus Green but use it for > a Custodian with proper powers to fine those who wreck our spaces, Council > tax payers will eventually be sick of picking up and paying for young people > be they students or our own citizens' children or visitors. It does not > happen elsewhere why here? The Police MUST be involved, we cannot allow > these young people to despoil our city with impunity or appeal to them in > the silly over polite way the Council now employ. > > The Jesus Green hut, built at some cost to the rate payer in 1970s would be > an idea centre for some vigilance. Using the Big SOciety Idea we could have > volunteers policing the Green but they must have back up. A crackdown on the > kind of anti social activity prevalent is way overdue, this situation will > not improve on its own. > > The way the Greens are handled is a daily digrace to the Council, to the > Enforcement officers who do not enforce and to the Police. > > I also think that the JGA has been far too liberal all along. The > ludicrously TINY notices which eventuated from HOURS of discussion last year > cannot even be seen, they are six inches high. The problem of barbecues has > not been resolved where everywhere else in the country they have been banned > in urban spaces, Hampstead Heath, Runnymede, every civic park in the land. > This isn't a huge space, it is being wrecked by a minority of young people > and they are not just students.. > > On 4 May 2011 20:15, John Lawton wrote: > >> From the JGA: >> >> The Committee of the Jesus Green Association heard this Tuesday evening >> from its Chairman, Peter Constable, of a gathering on Sunday of some >> thousand young people, ex-students and students of two Cambridge Colleges in >> particular, which drove local >> people and visitors off the Green in fear and disgust and which took >> Council staff three hours and forty sacks to clean up early on Monday >> morning, requiring a special vehicle to deal with broken glass. It is clear >> that the police presence was inadequate to prevent this outrage. >> >> Committee calls on the City Council and its officers to convene an urgent >> meeting to be attended by the Police, the Master and Mistress of the two >> Colleges principally concerned (believed to be Jesus College and Girton >> College) and itself to review what happened and to ensure that nothing >> similar is permitted to occur on what is called suicide Sunday in mid June >> or on any other occasion in the future. >> >> Jesus Green Association is committed to ensuring that, as one of >> Cambridge's finest open spaces, Jesus Green is respected by all and >> available to be enjoyed by a wide range of users in an informal way at any >> one time. Any such unregulated and anti- social gathering, which drives >> families and other users away, violates this spirit and is to be roundly >> condemned. >> >> Jesus Green Association >> 4th May 2011 >> >> >> What is your experience of green spaces in the city? >> >> John Lawton >> SOS Chair >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Save Our green Spaces >> http://www.soscambridge.org.uk >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list >> discuss at soscambridge.org.uk >> http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at soscambridge.org.uk > http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: