From simon at maths.cam.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 21:13:26 2015 From: simon at maths.cam.ac.uk (simon at maths.cam.ac.uk) Date: 12 Nov 2015 21:13:26 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal In-Reply-To: <5644854A.60907@lawton.me.uk> References: <5644854A.60907@lawton.me.uk> Message-ID: I would like to make the following comments on this issue. John, I presume you have David Ousby's contact details so can you please pass them on to him for his comments ? Meanwhile, others might care to use them in their replies to the Madingley Road corridor consultation (closing date 23 Nov) and the Cambridge congestion consultation (closing date 30 Nov), both part of the City Deal process. 1. The City Deal is fundamentally flawed as it is based on the concept that adequate bus services can be provided on a purely commercial basis. The amount of subsidy that would be needed to support a comprehensive county-wide network is small change compared with the cost of the City Deal, guided busway or A14, yet nobody seems to be looking at solving our problems this way. 2. However, there is one "big spend" item that would provide commensurate benefits to our region -- the east-west rail link. So if we're building a busway on the A428 corridor it would surely save a lot of time and money if it could be combined with a future railway towards Cambourne, St Neots and Bedford. I don't possess the expertise to assess how the various options stack up in this respect. 3. My suggestion for park & ride is to combine the existing site with a new one near Cambourne. The latter could provide a general bus interchange serving St Neots, Huntingdon, St Ives and Biggleswade/Sandy as well as Cambridge, thus offering opportunities for major improvements for intermediate communities such as Papworth and Gamlingay, as well as (by means of the X5) the missing link between Cambourne and St Neots station. In due course it could also provide a site for a railway station for Cambourne itself. 4. Traffic could be removed from the A1303 by adding new slip roads to the Girton interchange to provide direct access between the A428 and A14. Simon Norton, Coordinator, Cambs Campaign for Better Transport From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 20 17:42:05 2015 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal References: <977170651.13195467.1448041325963.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <977170651.13195467.1448041325963.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> thanks simon for the arguments you have presented. am trying to write to relevant people in stagecoach, as well as daniel zeichner and the cen, re bus service failures, i was very badly let down one v cold morning adn totally failed to get to Ely in tiem for an important to me meeting, and at least two of the advertised services just didnt show up, somone said, busbreakdown, but that is an old chestnut, and anyway there should be less compassion/excuses for Stagecoqach and more for its suffering customers. Waht compensationfdo i get if the freezing weather causes me to get ill at 73? none. so i suggest that bus companies shoujdl eb subejct to the same rules as train companies, and if they aare more than say, 15 minutes late, or more than one service on the same route in succession fails, then they must compensate customers and bve prepared to pay for taxis to get them to where they are going. I totally did not get to Ely this time, for a meeting i value greatly, yet Stagecoach gets off scot free. Is that right? hardly and when i rang the phone number given i got a hysterical person who hung up on me, so tho i had hardly said a word, i could not ask if Stagecoach would pay me a taxi to get me there.No way to treat the public, is it.? ????? Joanna -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12/11/15, simon at maths.cam.ac.uk wrote: Subject: Re: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal To: john at lawton.me.uk Cc: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2015, 21:13 I would like to make the following comments on this issue. John, I presume you have David Ousby's contact details so can you please pass them on to him for his comments ? Meanwhile, others might care to use them in their replies to the Madingley Road corridor consultation (closing date 23 Nov) and the Cambridge congestion consultation (closing date 30 Nov), both part of the City Deal process. 1. The City Deal is fundamentally flawed as it is based on the concept that adequate bus services can be provided on a purely commercial basis. The amount of subsidy that would be needed to support a comprehensive county-wide network is small change compared with the cost of the City Deal, guided busway or A14, yet nobody seems to be looking at solving our problems this way. 2. However, there is one "big spend" item that would provide commensurate benefits to our region -- the east-west rail link. So if we're building a busway on the A428 corridor it would surely save a lot of time and money if it could be combined with a future railway towards Cambourne, St Neots and Bedford. I don't possess the expertise to assess how the various options stack up in this respect. 3. My suggestion for park & ride is to combine the existing site with a new one near Cambourne. The latter could provide a general bus interchange serving St Neots, Huntingdon, St Ives and Biggleswade/Sandy as well as Cambridge, thus offering opportunities for major improvements for intermediate communities such as Papworth and Gamlingay, as well as (by means of the X5) the missing link between Cambourne and St Neots station. In due course it could also provide a site for a railway station for Cambourne itself. 4. Traffic could be removed from the A1303 by adding new slip roads to the Girton interchange to provide direct access between the A428 and A14. Simon Norton, Coordinator, Cambs Campaign for Better Transport _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk From simon at maths.cam.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 21:13:26 2015 From: simon at maths.cam.ac.uk (simon at maths.cam.ac.uk) Date: 12 Nov 2015 21:13:26 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal In-Reply-To: <5644854A.60907@lawton.me.uk> References: <5644854A.60907@lawton.me.uk> Message-ID: I would like to make the following comments on this issue. John, I presume you have David Ousby's contact details so can you please pass them on to him for his comments ? Meanwhile, others might care to use them in their replies to the Madingley Road corridor consultation (closing date 23 Nov) and the Cambridge congestion consultation (closing date 30 Nov), both part of the City Deal process. 1. The City Deal is fundamentally flawed as it is based on the concept that adequate bus services can be provided on a purely commercial basis. The amount of subsidy that would be needed to support a comprehensive county-wide network is small change compared with the cost of the City Deal, guided busway or A14, yet nobody seems to be looking at solving our problems this way. 2. However, there is one "big spend" item that would provide commensurate benefits to our region -- the east-west rail link. So if we're building a busway on the A428 corridor it would surely save a lot of time and money if it could be combined with a future railway towards Cambourne, St Neots and Bedford. I don't possess the expertise to assess how the various options stack up in this respect. 3. My suggestion for park & ride is to combine the existing site with a new one near Cambourne. The latter could provide a general bus interchange serving St Neots, Huntingdon, St Ives and Biggleswade/Sandy as well as Cambridge, thus offering opportunities for major improvements for intermediate communities such as Papworth and Gamlingay, as well as (by means of the X5) the missing link between Cambourne and St Neots station. In due course it could also provide a site for a railway station for Cambourne itself. 4. Traffic could be removed from the A1303 by adding new slip roads to the Girton interchange to provide direct access between the A428 and A14. Simon Norton, Coordinator, Cambs Campaign for Better Transport From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 20 17:42:05 2015 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal References: <977170651.13195467.1448041325963.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <977170651.13195467.1448041325963.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> thanks simon for the arguments you have presented. am trying to write to relevant people in stagecoach, as well as daniel zeichner and the cen, re bus service failures, i was very badly let down one v cold morning adn totally failed to get to Ely in tiem for an important to me meeting, and at least two of the advertised services just didnt show up, somone said, busbreakdown, but that is an old chestnut, and anyway there should be less compassion/excuses for Stagecoqach and more for its suffering customers. Waht compensationfdo i get if the freezing weather causes me to get ill at 73? none. so i suggest that bus companies shoujdl eb subejct to the same rules as train companies, and if they aare more than say, 15 minutes late, or more than one service on the same route in succession fails, then they must compensate customers and bve prepared to pay for taxis to get them to where they are going. I totally did not get to Ely this time, for a meeting i value greatly, yet Stagecoach gets off scot free. Is that right? hardly and when i rang the phone number given i got a hysterical person who hung up on me, so tho i had hardly said a word, i could not ask if Stagecoach would pay me a taxi to get me there.No way to treat the public, is it.? ????? Joanna -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12/11/15, simon at maths.cam.ac.uk wrote: Subject: Re: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal To: john at lawton.me.uk Cc: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2015, 21:13 I would like to make the following comments on this issue. John, I presume you have David Ousby's contact details so can you please pass them on to him for his comments ? Meanwhile, others might care to use them in their replies to the Madingley Road corridor consultation (closing date 23 Nov) and the Cambridge congestion consultation (closing date 30 Nov), both part of the City Deal process. 1. The City Deal is fundamentally flawed as it is based on the concept that adequate bus services can be provided on a purely commercial basis. The amount of subsidy that would be needed to support a comprehensive county-wide network is small change compared with the cost of the City Deal, guided busway or A14, yet nobody seems to be looking at solving our problems this way. 2. However, there is one "big spend" item that would provide commensurate benefits to our region -- the east-west rail link. So if we're building a busway on the A428 corridor it would surely save a lot of time and money if it could be combined with a future railway towards Cambourne, St Neots and Bedford. I don't possess the expertise to assess how the various options stack up in this respect. 3. My suggestion for park & ride is to combine the existing site with a new one near Cambourne. The latter could provide a general bus interchange serving St Neots, Huntingdon, St Ives and Biggleswade/Sandy as well as Cambridge, thus offering opportunities for major improvements for intermediate communities such as Papworth and Gamlingay, as well as (by means of the X5) the missing link between Cambourne and St Neots station. In due course it could also provide a site for a railway station for Cambourne itself. 4. Traffic could be removed from the A1303 by adding new slip roads to the Girton interchange to provide direct access between the A428 and A14. Simon Norton, Coordinator, Cambs Campaign for Better Transport _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk From simon at maths.cam.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 21:13:26 2015 From: simon at maths.cam.ac.uk (simon at maths.cam.ac.uk) Date: 12 Nov 2015 21:13:26 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal In-Reply-To: <5644854A.60907@lawton.me.uk> References: <5644854A.60907@lawton.me.uk> Message-ID: I would like to make the following comments on this issue. John, I presume you have David Ousby's contact details so can you please pass them on to him for his comments ? Meanwhile, others might care to use them in their replies to the Madingley Road corridor consultation (closing date 23 Nov) and the Cambridge congestion consultation (closing date 30 Nov), both part of the City Deal process. 1. The City Deal is fundamentally flawed as it is based on the concept that adequate bus services can be provided on a purely commercial basis. The amount of subsidy that would be needed to support a comprehensive county-wide network is small change compared with the cost of the City Deal, guided busway or A14, yet nobody seems to be looking at solving our problems this way. 2. However, there is one "big spend" item that would provide commensurate benefits to our region -- the east-west rail link. So if we're building a busway on the A428 corridor it would surely save a lot of time and money if it could be combined with a future railway towards Cambourne, St Neots and Bedford. I don't possess the expertise to assess how the various options stack up in this respect. 3. My suggestion for park & ride is to combine the existing site with a new one near Cambourne. The latter could provide a general bus interchange serving St Neots, Huntingdon, St Ives and Biggleswade/Sandy as well as Cambridge, thus offering opportunities for major improvements for intermediate communities such as Papworth and Gamlingay, as well as (by means of the X5) the missing link between Cambourne and St Neots station. In due course it could also provide a site for a railway station for Cambourne itself. 4. Traffic could be removed from the A1303 by adding new slip roads to the Girton interchange to provide direct access between the A428 and A14. Simon Norton, Coordinator, Cambs Campaign for Better Transport From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 20 17:42:05 2015 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal References: <977170651.13195467.1448041325963.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <977170651.13195467.1448041325963.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> thanks simon for the arguments you have presented. am trying to write to relevant people in stagecoach, as well as daniel zeichner and the cen, re bus service failures, i was very badly let down one v cold morning adn totally failed to get to Ely in tiem for an important to me meeting, and at least two of the advertised services just didnt show up, somone said, busbreakdown, but that is an old chestnut, and anyway there should be less compassion/excuses for Stagecoqach and more for its suffering customers. Waht compensationfdo i get if the freezing weather causes me to get ill at 73? none. so i suggest that bus companies shoujdl eb subejct to the same rules as train companies, and if they aare more than say, 15 minutes late, or more than one service on the same route in succession fails, then they must compensate customers and bve prepared to pay for taxis to get them to where they are going. I totally did not get to Ely this time, for a meeting i value greatly, yet Stagecoach gets off scot free. Is that right? hardly and when i rang the phone number given i got a hysterical person who hung up on me, so tho i had hardly said a word, i could not ask if Stagecoach would pay me a taxi to get me there.No way to treat the public, is it.? ????? Joanna -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12/11/15, simon at maths.cam.ac.uk wrote: Subject: Re: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal To: john at lawton.me.uk Cc: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2015, 21:13 I would like to make the following comments on this issue. John, I presume you have David Ousby's contact details so can you please pass them on to him for his comments ? Meanwhile, others might care to use them in their replies to the Madingley Road corridor consultation (closing date 23 Nov) and the Cambridge congestion consultation (closing date 30 Nov), both part of the City Deal process. 1. The City Deal is fundamentally flawed as it is based on the concept that adequate bus services can be provided on a purely commercial basis. The amount of subsidy that would be needed to support a comprehensive county-wide network is small change compared with the cost of the City Deal, guided busway or A14, yet nobody seems to be looking at solving our problems this way. 2. However, there is one "big spend" item that would provide commensurate benefits to our region -- the east-west rail link. So if we're building a busway on the A428 corridor it would surely save a lot of time and money if it could be combined with a future railway towards Cambourne, St Neots and Bedford. I don't possess the expertise to assess how the various options stack up in this respect. 3. My suggestion for park & ride is to combine the existing site with a new one near Cambourne. The latter could provide a general bus interchange serving St Neots, Huntingdon, St Ives and Biggleswade/Sandy as well as Cambridge, thus offering opportunities for major improvements for intermediate communities such as Papworth and Gamlingay, as well as (by means of the X5) the missing link between Cambourne and St Neots station. In due course it could also provide a site for a railway station for Cambourne itself. 4. Traffic could be removed from the A1303 by adding new slip roads to the Girton interchange to provide direct access between the A428 and A14. Simon Norton, Coordinator, Cambs Campaign for Better Transport _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk From simon at maths.cam.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 21:13:26 2015 From: simon at maths.cam.ac.uk (simon at maths.cam.ac.uk) Date: 12 Nov 2015 21:13:26 +0000 Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal In-Reply-To: <5644854A.60907@lawton.me.uk> References: <5644854A.60907@lawton.me.uk> Message-ID: I would like to make the following comments on this issue. John, I presume you have David Ousby's contact details so can you please pass them on to him for his comments ? Meanwhile, others might care to use them in their replies to the Madingley Road corridor consultation (closing date 23 Nov) and the Cambridge congestion consultation (closing date 30 Nov), both part of the City Deal process. 1. The City Deal is fundamentally flawed as it is based on the concept that adequate bus services can be provided on a purely commercial basis. The amount of subsidy that would be needed to support a comprehensive county-wide network is small change compared with the cost of the City Deal, guided busway or A14, yet nobody seems to be looking at solving our problems this way. 2. However, there is one "big spend" item that would provide commensurate benefits to our region -- the east-west rail link. So if we're building a busway on the A428 corridor it would surely save a lot of time and money if it could be combined with a future railway towards Cambourne, St Neots and Bedford. I don't possess the expertise to assess how the various options stack up in this respect. 3. My suggestion for park & ride is to combine the existing site with a new one near Cambourne. The latter could provide a general bus interchange serving St Neots, Huntingdon, St Ives and Biggleswade/Sandy as well as Cambridge, thus offering opportunities for major improvements for intermediate communities such as Papworth and Gamlingay, as well as (by means of the X5) the missing link between Cambourne and St Neots station. In due course it could also provide a site for a railway station for Cambourne itself. 4. Traffic could be removed from the A1303 by adding new slip roads to the Girton interchange to provide direct access between the A428 and A14. Simon Norton, Coordinator, Cambs Campaign for Better Transport From skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 20 17:42:05 2015 From: skyclarker at yahoo.co.uk (Joanna Gordon Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal References: <977170651.13195467.1448041325963.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <977170651.13195467.1448041325963.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> thanks simon for the arguments you have presented. am trying to write to relevant people in stagecoach, as well as daniel zeichner and the cen, re bus service failures, i was very badly let down one v cold morning adn totally failed to get to Ely in tiem for an important to me meeting, and at least two of the advertised services just didnt show up, somone said, busbreakdown, but that is an old chestnut, and anyway there should be less compassion/excuses for Stagecoqach and more for its suffering customers. Waht compensationfdo i get if the freezing weather causes me to get ill at 73? none. so i suggest that bus companies shoujdl eb subejct to the same rules as train companies, and if they aare more than say, 15 minutes late, or more than one service on the same route in succession fails, then they must compensate customers and bve prepared to pay for taxis to get them to where they are going. I totally did not get to Ely this time, for a meeting i value greatly, yet Stagecoach gets off scot free. Is that right? hardly and when i rang the phone number given i got a hysterical person who hung up on me, so tho i had hardly said a word, i could not ask if Stagecoach would pay me a taxi to get me there.No way to treat the public, is it.? ????? Joanna -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12/11/15, simon at maths.cam.ac.uk wrote: Subject: Re: [Discuss] [Announce] Protect Madingley Wood and the Cambridge American Cemetery from the Greater Cambridge City Deal To: john at lawton.me.uk Cc: discuss at soscambridge.org.uk Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2015, 21:13 I would like to make the following comments on this issue. John, I presume you have David Ousby's contact details so can you please pass them on to him for his comments ? Meanwhile, others might care to use them in their replies to the Madingley Road corridor consultation (closing date 23 Nov) and the Cambridge congestion consultation (closing date 30 Nov), both part of the City Deal process. 1. The City Deal is fundamentally flawed as it is based on the concept that adequate bus services can be provided on a purely commercial basis. The amount of subsidy that would be needed to support a comprehensive county-wide network is small change compared with the cost of the City Deal, guided busway or A14, yet nobody seems to be looking at solving our problems this way. 2. However, there is one "big spend" item that would provide commensurate benefits to our region -- the east-west rail link. So if we're building a busway on the A428 corridor it would surely save a lot of time and money if it could be combined with a future railway towards Cambourne, St Neots and Bedford. I don't possess the expertise to assess how the various options stack up in this respect. 3. My suggestion for park & ride is to combine the existing site with a new one near Cambourne. The latter could provide a general bus interchange serving St Neots, Huntingdon, St Ives and Biggleswade/Sandy as well as Cambridge, thus offering opportunities for major improvements for intermediate communities such as Papworth and Gamlingay, as well as (by means of the X5) the missing link between Cambourne and St Neots station. In due course it could also provide a site for a railway station for Cambourne itself. 4. Traffic could be removed from the A1303 by adding new slip roads to the Girton interchange to provide direct access between the A428 and A14. Simon Norton, Coordinator, Cambs Campaign for Better Transport _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at soscambridge.org.uk http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk