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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dear John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Does SOS have a policy on barbeques ? Are the objections to
barbeques objections to burnt turf, or also to large gatherings, especially at
night in summer ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In America many open spaces come with barbeque provision. Do we
need the same here ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Maybe we need to think about parks differently as more and more
people are encouraged to live in high density developments with little private
open space, so no room for barbeques at home. If the numbers using parks
increase then noise at all times of day from parks becomes a bigger issue, so
maybe existing parks need redesigning to keep crowds away from houses ? Maybe
we need more open spaces ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>allan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> discuss-bounces@soscambridge.org.uk
[mailto:discuss-bounces@soscambridge.org.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anne Garvey<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 April 2010 13:26<br>
<b>To:</b> SOS Cambridge discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Discuss] Greens in central Cambridge Litter and Barbecues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Dear John,<br>
<br>
We should surely have a proper policy. Do we allow fires of any type - or not.
The byelaw says NO but liberal demmery seems to deliver ' well if they're not
doing any harm" , well they are doing harm and you can't tell until
they've gone how much burning has happened.<br>
<br>
Trouble with Wait and See is that the notices can arrive all mealy mouthed and
well intentioned but people given a loophole will go right ahead and light
fires. Can we not influence the wording BEFORE they're printed?<br>
<br>
For heaven's sake can we not just enforce the bye law like the rest of the
world. I'd like to see you in the Royal Parks with your barbeque, no way<br>
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Best wishes<br>
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<br>
Anne<br>
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On 19/4/10 13:10, "John Lawton" <chair@soscambridge.org.uk>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<span style='color:blue'>> Hi Anne,<br>
> <br>
> We'll see shortly what the council have planned regarding the <br>
> notices. I agree that they should be clear and forthright.<br>
> <br>
> For others reading this, Jesus Green and Midsummer Common frequently <br>
> suffer bonfires and barbeques. Do other green spaces have problems?<br>
> <br>
> John<br>
> <br>
> At 13:02 19/04/2010, you wrote:<br>
</span><span style='color:green'>>> What do the notices say? It should be
a BAN on fires full stop. All <br>
>> these qualfications , are you damaging the grass, is it a fire or a <br>
>> barbeque, just muddy the issue. Best wishes, Anne<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> On 18/4/10 12:37, "John Lawton"
<chair@soscambridge.org.uk> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
</span><span style='color:red'>>>> At 12:11 18/04/2010, peter
constable wrote:<br>
</span><span style='color:purple'>>>>> Already the Greens are being
badly damaged by barbecues, smoke<br>
>>>> pollution and the litter. Last weekend it was all was of
epic<br>
>>>> proportions.<br>
>>>> As usual there is with an inadequate supply of dustbins and
the style<br>
>>>> of those supplied come from the very cheapest end of local
hardware<br>
>>>> shop stock.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> The old question of notices and litter penalties arises yet
again.<br>
>>>> Isn't it time for notices and enforcement right across the
City greens?<br>
>>>> Litter picking, even on St George's day, only reinforces the
habit of<br>
>>>> litterbugs.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Can we do something NOW.<br>
</span><span style='color:red'>>>> <br>
>>> Thanks Peter,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> The design of notices is apparently in hand. Debbie Kaye
posted this<br>
>>> on Friday:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> "All<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Sarah Tovell started work on signage for parks this week and will
be<br>
>>> liaising with both legal services and the Executive Councillor to<br>
>>> agree style/appearance and content before the signs are
commissioned<br>
>>> and installed - hopefully for around the first May Bank Holiday.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> The signs will state clearly that that unauthorised camping,
fires<br>
>>> and BBQs are not permitted.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> The signs are proposed at the main entrances to the following
parks<br>
>>> and open spaces:<br>
>>> Sheeps Green, Lammas Land, Mill Pond and Coe Fen<br>
>>> Jesus Green<br>
>>> Stourbridge Common<br>
>>> Midsummer Common<br>
>>> Parkers Piece<br>
>>> Cherry Hinton Hall<br>
>>> Coldhams Common<br>
>>> <br>
>>> In the meantime, if problems with camping or fires occur, the<br>
>>> following arrangements are in place:<br>
>>> In office hours, phone 01223 457000 and report the problem to the<br>
>>> Enforcement Team<br>
>>> Out of office hours, telephone 01223 457457. The out of hours
service<br>
>>> will refer to either the Enforcement team and/or the Police.The<br>
>>> Enforcement Out of Hours service starts 1st May, so in the
meantime,<br>
>>> the Police will be notified.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> We have reported the problems last night to both the Enforcement<br>
>>> Officer and the Out of hours service, and so both are aware."<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I have suggested to here that sanctions (fines etc) should be<br>
>>> included on the notices.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> John Lawton<br>
>>> Chair<br>
>>> <br>
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