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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>I couldn't agree more. Open spaces are needed to be an absolute requisite of little flats. And Open spaces must be for all. But the barbeque on the turf just isn’t the solution. <BR>
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Maybe you are right and a designated barbeque area would be good on every space, but whilst people can just set up – and leave litter, they won\t use it.<BR>
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Best wishes<BR>
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Anne<BR>
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On 19/4/10 15:41, "Allan Brigham" <townnotgown@btinternet.com> wrote:<BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#0000FF">> Thanks John. But I suspect many of those having barbeques on parks live in<BR>
> bedsits or flats, with at the most balconies if they are lucky. <BR>
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> Some of the money from building new flats and especially small bedsit type<BR>
> developments goes into improving local parks for these residents just<BR>
> because these new developments have no open space. There have been barbeques<BR>
> on Romsey Rec over the last couple of years, and it makes a horrible mess.<BR>
> But I'm fairly sure that many of these are people who have no where else to<BR>
> go outside. Which doesn't mean that burning the turf, leaving litter or late<BR>
> night noise is acceptable. But if policy is to encourage everyone to live in<BR>
> towns then there does need to be space for activities like barbeques.<BR>
> <BR>
> Perhaps the issue is that of conflicting usages of open spaces, and how to<BR>
> manage/reconcile these ? <BR>
> <BR>
> And maybe developers should be encouraged to create barbeque provision in<BR>
> their developments. <BR>
> <BR>
> Allan<BR>
> <BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: discuss-bounces@soscambridge.org.uk<BR>
> [<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@soscambridge.org.uk]">mailto:discuss-bounces@soscambridge.org.uk]</a> On Behalf Of John Lawton<BR>
> Sent: 19 April 2010 14:07<BR>
> To: SOS Cambridge discussion list<BR>
> Subject: Re: [Discuss] Greens in central Cambridge Litter and Barbecues<BR>
> <BR>
> At 13:36 19/04/2010, you wrote:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> Does SOS have a policy on barbeques ? Are the objections to <BR>
>> barbeques objections to burnt turf, or also to large gatherings, <BR>
>> especially at night in summer ?<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">> <BR>
> I would say that we would oppose on the grounds that there is damage, <BR>
> but also usually a huge amount of litter. Those who enjoy the fires <BR>
> seem to feel free to make a huge mess and show no responsibility to <BR>
> clear up afterwards.<BR>
> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> In America many open spaces come with barbeque provision. Do we need <BR>
>> the same here ?<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">> <BR>
> Perhaps in the right setting, but I think not on grazing land, and <BR>
> not if they harm the nature of the green space.<BR>
> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> Maybe we need to think about parks differently as more and more <BR>
>> people are encouraged to live in high density developments with <BR>
>> little private open space, so no room for barbeques at home. If the <BR>
>> numbers using parks increase then noise at all times of day from <BR>
>> parks becomes a bigger issue, so maybe existing parks need <BR>
>> redesigning to keep crowds away from houses ? Maybe we need more <BR>
>> open spaces ?<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">> <BR>
> Agreed about more green space provision, but surely everyone has <BR>
> room for a BBQ, if not a bonfire?<BR>
> <BR>
> John<BR>
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