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<DIV>I think that so long as trees are consdiered to be moveable, easily replaced objects, they will be treated as that, so not consdiered for their being there or their link to history, or just the benefit of hteir age, but easily cut down and replaced - how can you replace a 1000 yr old yew? - And then, rather like Carbon trading (whihc oculd be seen as facilitating not cutting back on co2 emissions), it becomes easier to cut down the old trees on the vague assertion of replacement.</DIV>
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<DIV>Our ancestors first lived in trees, or rather perhaps in forests, then cut down a lot for their agriculture, then planted them in graveyards and parks and now, as the pressure grows on space generally and developers are given far too free a rein because of housing pressure,</DIV>
<DIV>all big trees it seems are under threat. personally my experience tends me to the view that the more human beings are invovled in the 'management' of wild things, and trees are of course wild, despite all the horticulture and so on, the more danger there is to the wild things so managed. Lok at whales, looks at any animal population that has had to be 'managed'. </DIV>
<DIV>especially when buyreaucracies are involved because there is nothing more alien the one to the other than bureaucracy and wilderness. So my inclination is almost always to wilderness and untouchable areas. I am also eternally grateful to those big landowenrs who have secured the long term life of trees mostly and that which lives in trees, by their simple holding on to land and not allowing things to be cut down. It may not be democratic and so on, but it works. </DIV>
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<DIV>Trees - pace Tolkien - can't move. Their seed can but they can't. So when I bought an acre of orchard in smithey fen Cottenham, with no pitches or development going on, I did not anticipate that a careless and power crazy local council would allow traveller pitches all round, and would fail miserably to enforce as they were supposed to, so that I lost all my trees (300, mature, plum and pear). Trees can't move. </DIV>
<DIV>As regards Alexandra Gardens, those trees link us back to our ancestors and bear witness, literally to a time when they were planted and to the people of that time, well they do for me.</DIV>
<DIV>the sheer size adn age of them tells us something without words. thqat is clear. Queen anne palnted many of the London plane trees, which shows you how long these trees can live adn how they can carry you back in time..</DIV>
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<DIV>I think planting trees is essential but it needs to be done with a guarantee that those trees will not be disturbed or cut down for a very long time indeed - that is unless they are intended as a crop. I think all new towns and villages shoudl have tree planting, and that local people should be encouraged to plant a tree on the communal land whenever they do something memorable - i.e move in, move out, have a baby, lose a family person, that kind of thing. I love mr. Felix Dennis for planting up an entire forest somewhere in the middle of England, just becaue he can but also because he loves trees. Again tho he can do this perhaps because he can own the land, and keep his forst safe. </DIV>
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<DIV>we need to be aware that in Bristol, according to one of the Bristol tree group, the council custs down large trees at will and listens not at all to any protest - so while we should not relax because of that, we could be grateful perhaps that we are not faced with the same problems as Bristol.</DIV>
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<DIV>Have to go now, but just to say that we are still waiting for the meeting with the council to go over our scientific and technical paper, and while things are ok i believe that the more publicity and letters and emails go into the council - the whole council that is, the local councillors in all the wards- the more the pressure and support will be on the council. I think we have to be supporting them to do the right thing, rather than criticising them all the time for doing the wrong thing. Matter of judgement of coure. Must go. Joanna Gordon Clark<BR> </DIV> Joanna
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Ellie Stoneley <elliestoneley@googlemail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> SOS Cambridge discussion list <discuss@soscambridge.org.uk><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> announce@soscambridge.org.uk<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, 2 December, 2010 11:49:32<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Discuss] BBC article: "Take cover by saving urban trees"<BR></FONT><BR>this article also of interest<BR><A href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/million-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2010/dec/01/million-trees-england?CMP=twt_fd</A><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 1 December 2010 17:56, Lisa Buchholz <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:pale.aquamarine@googlemail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:pale.aquamarine@googlemail.com">pale.aquamarine@googlemail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">So topical! <BR><BR>So how come we can't get all these tree-choppers to understand it's not what we want?? Even the environment secretary seems to get it: There was an article (which you can't look at free online, unfortunately) by the Sunday Times's Environmental Editor about a new program for "a million trees to be planted in Britain's most deprived urban areas". Funding is £ 9 m, administered by Defra, with Woodland Trust (which is already doing this I think) planting a lot of them. <BR><BR>"With just 12% native woodland cover, compared to the European average of 44%, every one of us is impoverished by a lack of trees in our landscape. As individuals, groups and communities we can each take action to improve where we live and contribute to a bigger vision" - Woodland Trust.<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>Lisa
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 1 December 2010 17:19, John Lawton <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:john@lawton.me.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:john@lawton.me.uk">john@lawton.me.uk</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">This is a good read, including the comments:<BR><BR><A href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7271725.stm</A><BR><BR>John Lawton<BR>SOS Chair<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>discuss mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:discuss@soscambridge.org.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:discuss@soscambridge.org.uk">discuss@soscambridge.org.uk</A><BR><A href="http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://soscambridge.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_soscambridge.org.uk</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>discuss mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:discuss@soscambridge.org.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow
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